Here's an article form 2010.

http://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2010/05/dod-measures-up-on-climate-change-energy/

Summary:

Assessments conducted by the intelligence community indicate that climate change could have significant geopolitical impacts around the world, contributing to poverty, environmental degradation, and the further weakening of fragile governments. Climate change will contribute to food and water scarcity, willincrease the spread of disease and may spur or exacerbate mass migration.

 

Now there's a specific, scientific and verifiable measure.

Yep, didn't measure it, just lived in that area for a year. More snow than I cared to look at ... Started in October and ended in May. Did drive track vehicles on it though as they were the primary means of transportation and dumping the garbage.

It was my observations during my time on that island, on a very small portion of that island. Yes, there was a water level marker at the dock.

Of course, no one will be revisiting that island, except for Fish and Wildlife, if they have it scheduled.

Of course the people "filling in the blanks" are gundecking the record, making false statements. Those who were responsible to take the wet bulb/dry bulb readings could have done that as well, except they would have been punished for making false official statements.

So, now that one can not retrieve the raw data, the point of arguing about it is moot. Climate change can now fall into the same category as the UFOs at Roswell, Elvis is alive, and all the other conspiracy items.

 

Nice link brownout,

It does illustrate the DOD's intent on going green where ever possible. It does not state what it stated a few months back about it being a National Defense issue.

 

It does illustrate the DOD's intent on going green where ever possible. It does not state what it stated a few months back about it being a National Defense issue.

Sure, the phrase "Assessments conducted by the intelligence community indicate that climate change could have significant geopolitical impacts around the world, contributing to poverty, environmental degradation, and the further weakening of fragile governments." means "We're going green"

This is surly another joke.

Climate change can now fall into the same category as the UFOs at Roswell, Elvis is alive, and all the other conspiracy items.

And the category of clean water to prevent disease, which was also called a conspiracy item.

 

Nice link brownout,

It does illustrate the DOD's intent on going green where ever possible. It does not state what it stated a few months back about it being a National Defense issue.

Hmm, I tried a page and it worked ok.
Here is a help page. Let us know what they say.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/

 

Works for me too. Next thing we'll be hearing is NOAA is eavsdropping and only providing access to people who write in agreement with their conclusions. Oh, the conspiracy

 

 

 

So what exactly are we supposed to do about it if everyone does agree that it's human induced? Everyone who lives in an area that improved from it is not likely going to put much effort into changing things. Same with those in less developed countries that simply do not have any alternatives to work with.

Where I live it's largely seen as being nothing more than another political scam and thus any new rules that get put in place are largely ignored by the public and enforcing them is all but ignored by the state. Emissions systems on vehicles is one prime example in my state. Sure the auto makers have to put them on but where I live we have near zero checks and enforcement behind any of it and no one cares. Heck most people like it that way.

 

All these benefits, and no cost. I'm sold!

 

I lived about 120 miles south of LA and can remember when California put on their smog controls on cars.
The car companies were screaming and for a while they were more expensive, but technology prevailed and now they are all have pollution controls, are cleaner, and have better power and mileage to boot.

LA- before and after.

It doesn't take a major investment to help the situation. The majority of electricity is used for lighting.
I wouldn't buy solar panels because I won't live long enough for the payback, but I did spend a few bucks on LED lights for the rooms we use lights in.
If I were younger I might spring for solar just to watch the meter go the other way while the air was running.

 

I lived about 120 miles south of LA and can remember when California put on their smog controls on cars.
The car companies were screaming and for a while they were more expensive, but technology prevailed and now they are all have pollution controls, are cleaner, and have better power and mileage to boot.

LA- before and after.

It doesn't take a major investment to help the situation. The majority of electricity is used for lighting.
I wouldn't buy solar panels because I won't live long enough for the payback, but I did spend a few bucks on LED lights for the rooms we use lights in.
If I were younger I might spring for solar just to watch the meter go the other way while the air was running.

1. Smog is not caused by carbon dioxide. Life is.

2. China is building a new coal-fired power plant every 7 to 10 days. If you think your LED light bulbs make a dent in anything but your wallet, you're nuts.

 

1. Smog is not caused by carbon dioxide. Life is.

Never said it was. More a response to TCMTech on emissions. People didn't think that would help either - but it did.

2. China is building a new coal-fired power plant every 7 to 10 days.

And for that they get this:


They will come around.

If you think your LED light bulbs make a dent in anything but your wallet, you're nuts.

Hmm, I don't think so. I have a lot of 65 watt floods in the kitchen and office - about 10. So here is my math.
I buy Crees from Home depot.

10 LEDs @ $9 = $90. Life 50K hours
10 regular @$1.10 = $11. Life 1200 hours
3 hours a day at 65 watts X 10 bulbs = 1950 w/day X356 =710 Kw Hrs. year.
@$.13 KWH = $92 year vs. $10 for leds.
So basically they are paid for in the first year and I haven't had to, or will I ever need to climb that 8 foot ladder again to replace them.

As they say: the journey begins with the first step.

 

Never said it was. More a response to TCMTech on emissions. People didn't think that would help either - but it did.

Actually reformulation of our vehicle fuels has had far more to do with cleaning up the smog generated by vehicles than pure emission systems had anything to do with it.
Anyone old enough to remember fuel that was made back before the mid 80's should be able to recall how that stuff could sit in a can for years without going bad. Ever think about since then how our fuels standby life has gotten shorter and shorter since to the point now where gasoline that sits for much more than a few weeks goes sour then turns to sticky varnish like paste that plugs up everything.

It's certainly not the fuel injection or the catalytic converter on your vehicle that makes it go bad that way.

 

I'm now aware of the reformulations. The only ones I can think of are unleaded to make the catalytic converters happy and ethanol to make the farmers happy. What were some others?
I haven't had any problem storing gas, but I only use it for the power washer.

 

10 LEDs @ $9 = $90. Life 50K hours

Except it's not 50K hours. Experience says they live about the same time as regular incandecents.
Then factor in the price of their utilization....

I find it amusing how people may still believe in man-mage-global-warming scam when it was proven that it is a scam and e-mails of those so-called "scientists", where they were conspiring to tamper with raw data in order to "prove" MMGW exists, were retrieved and published...

 

Hmm, I tried a page and it worked ok.

Did you download that 2 GB file of raw data?

I got to the page, got to the ftp page, but could not download the data.

 

Except it's not 50K hours. Experience says they live about the same time as regular incandecents.
Then factor in the price of their utilization....

Mine came with a guarantee.
What do you mean by price of utilization. I just buy them and screw 'em in.

 

Did you download that 2 GB file of raw data?

I got to the page, got to the ftp page, but could not download the data.

Told you you would need a bigger computer.

Recommended Methods for Retrieval
Several recommended methods are described in the following procedures. The METAR is an hourly observation in the United States and in many other countries around the world. Some countries take METAR observations on a half hourly basis. Constant FTP retrievals to our servers for the latest observation results in service access denial for others. The design of your retrieval processes must consider availability of the data. The METAR data is best requested between 10 and 15 minutes past the hour to account for central processing time. See our page on Individual Reports and Cycle Files for a discussion on vailibility.

 

I just buy them and screw 'em in.

Yeah, you're being taxed for this, so it comes kinda "invisible".