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nsaspook

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https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/openai-execs-panicking-154658562.html

An AI price war is brewing.

Corporations are reeling after finding that the cost to access powerful AI tools is soaring — despite showing no clear payoff. In one particularly unfortunate incident, according to Axios, the CFO of a company accidentally racked up half a billion dollars in Claude usage fees in a single month.

Put simply, the horrible economics of AI are finally starting to rear their ugly head. Astronomical capital expenditures by AI companies are starting to trickle down to users — and they’re not liking what they’re seeing.
Meanwhile, as the Wall Street Journal reports, executives at OpenAI are pondering whether to kick off a price war with the company’s biggest competitor, Anthropic. By dramatically lowering prices, the company’s reportedly hoping to steal users, while also anticipating similar price cuts by its competitor.

Put simply, pricing is turning into a major headache for AI leaders.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/openai-execs-panicking-154658562.html

An AI price war is brewing.

Corporations are reeling after finding that the cost to access powerful AI tools is soaring — despite showing no clear payoff. In one particularly unfortunate incident, according to Axios, the CFO of a company accidentally racked up half a billion dollars in Claude usage fees in a single month.

Put simply, the horrible economics of AI are finally starting to rear their ugly head. Astronomical capital expenditures by AI companies are starting to trickle down to users — and they’re not liking what they’re seeing.
Meanwhile, as the Wall Street Journal reports, executives at OpenAI are pondering whether to kick off a price war with the company’s biggest competitor, Anthropic. By dramatically lowering prices, the company’s reportedly hoping to steal users, while also anticipating similar price cuts by its competitor.

Put simply, pricing is turning into a major headache for AI leaders.
What will likely lead to the popping of the AI bubble more than anything else is the same thing that we've seen with other tech bubbles (not all of them, of course). Massive investments into a technology based on pure hype, unrealistic and rosy predictions about unbridled growth in the foreseeable future, and the crazy need for so many people to jump on the bandwagon without even considering if doing so fundamentally makes sense. While many people view IPO by such companies as being a strong sign that the technology is going mainstream, I tend to be a lot more jaded and view it much more like the end stages of a Ponzi scheme in which the venture capitalists and others that have been pouring huge sums of money into it are now wanting the big payouts they were all-but promised and so the schemers issue an IPO in order to rope in the next round of marks in order to pay of the original investors, along with a lot more money. Eventually, a lot of the time, that's actually the death knell as their ability to get even more unsuspecting dupes is now greatly curtailed, so the company end up going bankrupt eventually, leaving the millions of little investors all the more worse off while the original schemers laugh at them from their big private yachts.

This is not to say that there is any actual intent to defraud anyone going on -- maybe, maybe not. It's reflection of how capital markets often work and is how most of the real big success stories started out. This includes things like railroads and airlines and many big tech companies. Where the difference lies is when a company really hasn't got a product that has established a viable, sustainable, and profitable market. That company doesn't have to be be profitable today, but there needs to be a realistic path for it to get there. I don't see that the AI company's have established that.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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Yeah. Those are the ones run by accountants.
Probably true. That's usually the death knell of a company, when the bean counters take over. It's a red flag telling the world that all growth opportunities are gone and it's all about squeezing out pennies.

But seriously, the best run companies are the ones that organize and operate around principles of Marketing. Engineers are certainly capable of managing in alignment with those principles, but experience has shown that many don't. Engineering-run companies on average don't do so well. A recent illustration of the problem is Tesla's Cybertruck, an engineering triumph that the market mostly despises. I think the company will survive just fine in spite of it but what a stumble. Did they even talk to a customer in the design process? Geesh.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Probably true. That's usually the death knell of a company, when the bean counters take over. It's a red flag telling the world that all growth opportunities are gone and it's all about squeezing out pennies.

But seriously, the best run companies are the ones that organize and operate around principles of Marketing. Engineers are certainly capable of managing in alignment with those principles, but experience has shown that many don't. Engineering-run companies on average don't do so well. A recent illustration of the problem is Tesla's Cybertruck, an engineering triumph that the market mostly despises. I think the company will survive just fine in spite of it but what a stumble. Did they even talk to a customer in the design process? Geesh.
I think Musk is a helluva manager.

You can't fix "didn't do".

Musk does.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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He may have gained a bit of humility from the experience, and that might end up bringing a lot of value to Tesla in the long run.

The Tesla semi is a rip-roaring success and a lot of that is because of all the refinements they made in the last year, in response to feedback from actual customers. Marketing, in other words.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Just look at the Merlin rocket engine history: he didn't wait till he had the best rocket before he went into space, he went with what he had.

The Merlin 1D is impressively advanced (and, simultaneously simpler) by comparison.

He taught himself how to build rockets by, ummm, building rockets.

Edit: Oh, and Raptor!
 
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