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shortbus

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Not just me. Most or all the major TV networks, including the BBC, have publicly admitted their leftist leanings years ago. I don't think there's really any debate on this issue.
And you don't see any correlation with that and the fringe right news coverage that Breitbart, Infowars, Rush, FNC et al?
They need to have a bigger presence to over come all of the "fringies" that eat and sleep that crap. If that side actually went and reported, instead of getting stuff off of Facebook and other propaganda sites things would get back to normal.
People believe what they want, real or not.
 

GopherT

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Hahaha, you mean like back when people thought The NY Times was reputable? No thanks.
NyT is right in the center of the chart - and a place to give exclusive ingerviews for Trump. What evidence forces you to say No Thanks? Is the lower right somehow the best?
 

tcmtech

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Hahaha, you mean like back when people thought The NY Times was reputable? No thanks.
Of what I have come to see of everything I have ever read that was apparently sourced from the NYT they can and occasionally do run pretty wide in all directions.

Far left, Far right, in depth and accurate and nonsensical opinion fluff as well. All things said, that sort of does put them in the middle without being exactly spot on center either. Most is fair and good, but still, I have to think they do occasionally play to the wider ends of spectrum as well to appeal to a wider market than many other news media centers do.

They fit into my views as being usually fair and credible, but still, I don't consider everything they say totally unbiased and beyond needing a proofread before using as a reference. ;)
 

GopherT

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No, not even close.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
Even they don't claim to be the center. They admit a leftist bias.
Now that I zoom in on TCMTech's reference, I do see they are not exactly in the center - they are offset to the left.

I think the scale is more accurate on TCMTech 's graphic because I have a description and examples of other media outlets as reference points. I can only assume your reference only considers real news organizations (like those in the gray circle of TCMTech's reference) dismisses crap like infowars and Breitbart. It is all a question of frame of reference and, therefore, not all "left leaning" is the same.


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Kermit2

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Seasonal labor and small business startups and failure rates are the best indicator of the political process in this country.

Everytime (these last 50-60 years) those metrics get moved in a bad direction we, as a nation, veer hard right. When economic times are sweet, we gradually head back left to higher taxes and increased regulations.

Imagine a kid with a yo-yo. That's us politically over the years.
Read financial and business news and you can then understand where all that other noise is trying to lead us.

It funny. The alternative left and right could disappear tomorrow and I'm pretry certain the yo-yo would keep us going back and forth without their "help"
 

shortbus

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Now that I zoom in on TCMTech's reference, I do see they are not exactly in the center - they are offset to the left.
Isn't it funny that ones wayneh says are biased, the ones that are given a more fair rating/middle of the road on bias, aren't included as calling themselves biased like FNC?

One reason they seemed biased to him might be that Obama really didn't do anything that seemed controversial to people outside of the tea party. That media was just reporting what was actually happening, just like they're doing now.
 

ronv

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Isn't it funny that ones wayneh says are biased, the ones that are given a more fair rating/middle of the road on bias, aren't included as calling themselves biased like FNC?

One reason they seemed biased to him might be that Obama really didn't do anything that seemed controversial to people outside of the tea party. That media was just reporting what was actually happening, just like they're doing now.
Yeah, I think it was one of the liberal ones that said to Trump:
"if you keep lying we will keep reporting it."
 

shortbus

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Yeah, I think it was one of the liberal ones that said to Trump:
"if you keep lying we will keep reporting it."
Think he is a real Republican, a dying breed. Isn't that a Joe Scarborough quote? He's an ex republican congressman, and calls things like he sees them. Calls both sides out.
 

tcmtech

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Seasonal labor and small business startups and failure rates are the best indicator of the political process in this country.

Everytime (these last 50-60 years) those metrics get moved in a bad direction we, as a nation, veer hard right. When economic times are sweet, we gradually head back left to higher taxes and increased regulations.

Imagine a kid with a yo-yo. That's us politically over the years.
Read financial and business news and you can then understand where all that other noise is trying to lead us.

It funny. The alternative left and right could disappear tomorrow and I'm pretry certain the yo-yo would keep us going back and forth without their "help"
This guy sums it up fairly well. Right wing conservatives tend to be more pragmatic and realistic about what they're going for. The liberal left tends to want things that, someone else they think is better off than them, should pay for.

 

ronv

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This guy sums it up fairly well. Right wing conservatives tend to be more pragmatic and realistic about what they're going for. The liberal left tends to want things that, someone else they think is better off than them, should pay for.

If the rich are being hurt so much why does this chart look this way?

If this pisses you off,


you're probably a liberal. :p
I have no problem with the ethnic stuff. But when that principal looses his public school to the rich, I don't want to hear him complain.
 

Kermit2

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It all here in my new book...How to Politicize Anything in less than 1 Minute.

For just 19.95 you will get my guide to today's easily mislead public and a newly updated list of triggering words and phrases all in one easy to order package.

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tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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It all here in my new book...How to Politicize Anything in less than 1 Minute.

For just 19.95 you will get my guide to today's easily mislead public and a newly updated list of triggering words and phrases all in one easy to order package.

Call now.
I'll only buy it of you have it all biased to 'blame Whitey of the past for everything in the present ' and totally ignore all of history and culture beyond that. :oops:


Oh Yeah and I need a lot of cultural biases tossed in at random too.


Also, I hope you're blaming the rich for everything else, and by rich I mean, everyone above poverty level since they are the ones who invest their resources outside of themselves in gainful ways to make our lives possible.


And send the bill to someone else who's smart enough to work to improve my life for a living.


Because I don't want to work and pay for my own wants being there's no point given what I get from everyone else now is better than a real job.


:rolleyes:
 

Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
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Man. It's like this show has lost all the good writers that used to make it so much fun here.

This is just getting silly...I'm changing channels to watch Price is Right re-runs. This show won't get picked up for a new season I'm betting. :)
 
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