Australia is crazy, Covid.

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nsaspook

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/08/djo...earance-to-enter-australia-court-filing-.html
“I explained that I had been recently infected with Covid in December 2021 and on this basis I was entitled to a medical exemption in accordance with Australian Government rules and guidance,” Djokovic said in the filing about his experience being detained at Melbourne Airport.

Djokovic said he told Australian Border Force officers that “I had correctly made my Australian Travel Declaration and otherwise satisfied all necessary requirements in order to lawfully enter Australia on my visa”.

Djokovic returned his first positive Covid-19 test on Dec. 16 but by Dec. 30 “had not had a fever or respiratory symptoms of Covid-19 in the last 72 hours”, the filing said.
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On Jan. 1, it said, he received a document from Home Affairs telling him his responses indicated that he met “the requirements for a quarantine-free arrival into Australia”.

The federal court has ordered Home Affairs to file its response by Sunday.

The Border Force, a unit of Home Affairs, did not respond to a Reuters request for comment on Saturday.

The Australian Open starts on Jan. 17.
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...-medical-exemptions-for-covid-19-vaccines.pdf
PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection, where vaccination can be deferred until 6 months after the infection. Vaccination should be deferred for 90 days in people who have received anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibody or convalescent plasma therapy.
 

nsaspook

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justtrying

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...critical-workers-to-protect-food-supply-chain

While in Canada...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trucking-vaccine-mandate-pressure-1.6308948

"Canada will require all truckers entering from the U.S. to show proof of vaccination starting on Saturday, Jan. 15, as part of its fight against COVID-19.

That could force some 16,000, or 10 per cent, of cross-border drivers off the roads, the Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) estimates. Ottawa estimates that five per cent of drivers will be impacted, according to a government source."
 

panic mode

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vaccinated or not - humans always adapt to any situation. like we got used to definition changes of what a covid case is, how to count them, what the severe case is, how safe and effective current measures are, how and when to test, who really spreads the virus, who really is hospitalized etc. some call it information war and indeed there is a lot of conflicting information that take some effort to filter out. one thing is clear, Omicron spreads faster and it is milder than the Delta.
 

nsaspook

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vaccinated or not - humans always adapt to any situation. like we got used to definition changes of what a covid case is, how to count them, what the severe case is, how safe and effective current measures are, how and when to test, who really spreads the virus, who really is hospitalized etc. some call it information war and indeed there is a lot of conflicting information that take some effort to filter out. one thing is clear, Omicron spreads faster and it is milder than the Delta.
"Omicron spreads faster and it is milder than the Delta." Mild is relative to those that are vaccinated and healthy. In at risk populations (unvaxx'ed, older, medical conditions, etc...) Omicron is still a potential killer.
 

panic mode

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there is no absolute safety. safe spaces are imaginary term invented by crazy people. there may be a meteor or supernova or mosquito or anything else - destined to kill you, and maybe it is 5minutes away from reaching you. all population is at risk all the time. so called "risk population" is just a name for group that is at somewhat higher risk of something specific - but nobody is risk free.

numbers show that compared or other variants, Omicron is milder - on all groups (vaccinated or not, older or not, in Australia or not, afraid or not...).

apparently that does not stop fearmongers from offering medical advice, or telling people that X is the only protection, that X is 100% safe and 100% effective but somehow despite all that still need to be administered several times and still those that received X several times must be deathly afraid of catching virus from people that got X just one less time than themselves, or those that did receive X numerous times themselves but don't wear a mask properly. but catching virus from someone that got X proper number of times is not a risk, despite them being hospitalized like everyone else.
then they boldly suggest that all caution shall be thrown out of window, one should simply get X one more time.
confirmed tens of thousands of severe adverse cases to X in Australia alone are irrelevant. survivability is irrelevant. and those who did not submit and get X sufficient number of times over shall be forced into isolation even though massive number of spreaders are the X recipients themselves. i guess facts and conflicting points of their own message do not matter. one shall follow only the one path, not question anything.
 

nsaspook

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there is no absolute safety. safe spaces are imaginary term invented by crazy people. there may be a meteor or supernova or mosquito or anything else - destined to kill you, and maybe it is 5minutes away from reaching you. all population is at risk all the time. so called "risk population" is just a name for group that is at somewhat higher risk of something specific - but nobody is risk free.

numbers show that compared or other variants, Omicron is milder - on all groups (vaccinated or not, older or not, in Australia or not, afraid or not...).

apparently that does not stop fearmongers from offering medical advice, or telling people that X is the only protection, that X is 100% safe and 100% effective but somehow despite all that still need to be administered several times and still those that received X several times must be deathly afraid of catching virus from people that got X just one less time than themselves, or those that did receive X numerous times themselves but don't wear a mask properly. but catching virus from someone that got X proper number of times is not a risk, despite them being hospitalized like everyone else.
then they boldly suggest that all caution shall be thrown out of window, one should simply get X one more time.
confirmed tens of thousands of severe adverse cases to X in Australia alone are irrelevant. survivability is irrelevant. and those who did not submit and get X sufficient number of times over shall be forced into isolation even though massive number of spreaders are the X recipients themselves. i guess facts and conflicting points of their own message do not matter. one shall follow only the one path, not question anything.
You don't hear that doom crap from me. The community reduction risk from a lack of vaccine mandates and things like mask restrictions is minimal during this Omicron wave because most sensible people have evaluated the risks and were already vaccinated before the wave started. At this point in the cycle most of us will get a infection and the chips will fall for the unprotected as nature desires.
 

cmartinez

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Here's a bit of interesting info. Insurance companies are *not* stupid, they are profit driven, and when it comes to either covering or not covering the expenses caused by an illness they are merciless in their criteria and will go to great lengths trying to avoid payment.

Well, down here most insurance companies have implemented a no coverage policy for those who get covid and can't prove they're vaccinated. They're no idiots, they know reality and they know the numbers and they’re acting according to their own interests.
 

panic mode

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they are profit driven leaches and will use everything and anything they can to squeeze more $$$ from you. so they are using situation and praying on those that cannot speak for themselves since they are being silenced and ostracized by armies of scared blind followers of doomsday propaganda that are only driven by own self-preservation and don't give a c**p about others. the sheer angst prevents them from thinking or doing or saying what they claim they stand for. in their own mind - they are still the good people doing good. so blind...
 
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Audioguru again

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I am old and have had 3 doses of vaccine for Covid-19. But I am afraid of having a heart attack or other severe medical problem because the ICU in the hospital is over-filled with unvaccinated fools.
My son and daughter are paying taxes for the unvaccinated people to be treated when they would not need treatment if they were vaccinated like everybody else.

In addition to the mandates that are blocking unvaccinated people from doing almost anything, Quebec is charging them with a fine to pay for their soon burial. The fine will be much too low to pay for their $60,000 hospital treatment.
 

panic mode

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where do you get that info that hospitals are overflowing?
this was debunked and you continue to report it while ignoring requests to reveal source of the alarmist information.

As before you can check with hospital directly or simply check online daily update on ICU occupancy in Mississauga.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations#hospitalizationsByVaccinationStatus

Hospitals are always at, or nearly at capacity. But in Mississauga, even after weeks of Omicron rampage, total ICU bed occupancy is still below 80%. There is still more than 500 free beds.

At the same time number of unvaccinated in the ICU is only 165 or 7% of all patients which is less than the half of all Covid patients. Vaccinated are still in greater number and number of cases peaked already and it is decreasing.

if you are so worried, maybe stay home and avoid contact with others for few days. Should not be hard for someone retired.

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killivolt

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My daughter is a Nurse in Utah, we are expecting Feb to hit with plenty of COVID, she said Nurses are in short supply a lot out with COVID.

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Audioguru again

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Sure the hospital ICU has many "fully vaccinated" patients with the Covid-19 virus. But they did not get the 3rd "booster" shot like I got mine 52 days ago when the Omicron variant was just beginning. I do not know why the government graphs do not mention the important booster shot.
 

dl324

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But in Mississauga, even after weeks of Omicron rampage, total ICU bed occupancy is still below 80%. There is still more than 500 free beds.
Be thankful that you're in a state with a lot of empty beds. By design, my state doesn't have a lot of hospital beds available. The emphasis has been on keeping people healthy so that fewer hospital beds are needed.

From yesterday's report:
"There are 34 available adult ICU beds out of 653 total (5% availability) and 262 available adult non-ICU beds out of 4,135 (6% availability)."

We have fewer than 5,000 beds for adults available for a population of over 4M. Our coronavirus death rate is 1.2 per 1000. The overall death rate for the US is twice that.
 

panic mode

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Sure the hospital ICU has many "fully vaccinated" patients with the Covid-19 virus. But they did not get the 3rd "booster" shot like I got mine 52 days ago when the Omicron variant was just beginning. I do not know why the government graphs do not mention the important booster shot.
i thought they are following science and two shots are all that is needed. but agreed more detailed data would be appreciated.
from all we know, your booster is maybe already worn out and you need another shot. better safe than sorry..
 

Audioguru again

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Today the chief doctor in Canada said that unvaccinated people are 19 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than two-dosed vaccinated people. They do not have numbers for 3-dose people yet. Some immuno-compromised people are getting a 4th dose here starting today. I will need a 4th dose in 5 weeks.
 
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