Welcome calefigo to AAC.

I started this thread just to see what others have to say on the subject. All opinions are welcome. Nice to have you join us.

 

 

Well, that sure as hell worries me.

So don’t give them a gun! Or any critical infrastructure, or any connection to the real world! Humans will figure this out, the first incident will likely cause an overreaction by humans. And read the details if the “rogue AI”. They are not as reoirted.

 

Humans will figure this out

If you are trying to reassure me, considering the present state of the world, that statement certainly doesn't do it.

 

What things have you come across regarding bad info from AI?

In the beginning I spent quite some time questioning / asking questions to several AIs, most of them related about their own training, their "data bases" and if they were able to manage a system.

Answers were all similar, recognizing limitations and a learnt necessity of always giving and answer (never saying "I do not know"). I use to ask frequently, equivalents of English to Spanish expressions or viceversa. I learnt to check the Spanish side of things where the "educated guess" is used at any time with incredibly far fetched if not ridiculous results.

Managing a system? always was a NO.

Some two and half years ago I asked the same questions to five AIs about where could I find sculptures of "donne velate" in Italy close to Milano. Answers were far from coincident, even contradictory and some of the AIs seemed confused when I told about their counterparts' answers I got.

The case where ChatGPT resulted really useful to me in no time was when I provided the 30++ archives with software for a PIC 18F micro to specify their respective psec (program section) at the overhead (PIC-AS Assembler). It provided the right ones as soon as I uploaded each archive.

Post #14 by member @nsaspook fits my feeling.

After all, a knife, a fork even yours hands could be weapons.

 

The near misses are getting closer.
More cheery news about AI from Anthropic :
AI models may be capable of self-replicating without access to a datacenter

What, me worry?

 

The near misses are getting closer.
More cheery news about AI from Anthropic :
AI models may be capable of self-replicating without access to a datacenter

What, me worry?

Nothing burger really.

"To show that weak hardware can host a capable model, the team bought 15 off-brand Android TV boxes at about $55 (roughly £41 or €47) each, networked them together and ran Google’s open Gemma4-26B-A4B model across them, with each box holding a slice of the model’s layers. It ran at 0.39 tokens per second, slow but working"

Maybe (or, may be capable to replicate directly to humans in some unknown future) here means they programmed 15 TV boxes to run a small model at 0.39 tokens per second. It doesn't mean their machines are capable of self-replicating any time soon.

 

It doesn't mean their machines are capable of self-replicating any time soon.

What a relief.

 

What a relief.

The von Neumann's book Theory of Self-Reproducing Automata was published in 1966 from ideas of his in the 1940's.
https://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/865.18/replication/Sipper.pdf

We've had the theories for ages but the practical is a different kettle of fish for 100 hijacked rice cookers.

It's sensational BS.

 

If you are trying to reassure me, considering the present state of the world, that statement certainly doesn't do it.

Faced with the possibility of extinction, the silly politics will be discarded. And your comment is exactly why I think, at this point, any attempt to regulate be worse than the threat. I do not tryst governments to do the right thing ever.

 

I do not tryst governments to do the right thing ever.

And you trust the AI guys to do the right thing?

 

It worries me. I feel a level of anxiety that just doesn't go away. What MIGHT it do? How MIGHT it affect my offspring? I'm not too worried about MY future, it scares me for my children. An Uncertain future is something my kids will have to deal with. Change has never scared me before, but this one truly bothers me.

That's why I'm in my 30s and don't want kids.
I think that everyone that is conscious about what is going on with the world and planning/having kids are either insane or simply don't care.

Just more 10 years and there'll be plenty of robots everywhere. That TV future is close. Then who controls the system of robots, control the nation. And there'll be nations trying to rule the world. So a lot of propaganda and lots of law enforcements. We're living like wilds compared to what will be.

 

So don’t give them a gun! Or any critical infrastructure, or any connection to the real world! Humans will figure this out, the first incident will likely cause an overreaction by humans. And read the details if the “rogue AI”. They are not as reoirted.

Once there are locking mechanisms to lock doors and windows, gates, cars... Once there are a lot of human-like robots that has that strength I've seen a robot beating a human up in a video (on purpose, it was a fight)... You can imagine they don't need guns. They just need energy and communication, and that can be done in several ways.

 

That's why I'm in my 30s and don't want kids.
I think that everyone that is conscious about what is going on with the world and planning/having kids are either insane or simply don't care.

And just think, when your parents had you back in the early 90s, people were saying the same thing about anyone that was planning to have kids. Just as they were saying it in the 60s when my parents had me. Just as they were saying it when my father was born, or when my grandfather was born. "Why would anyone bring kids into the world today?" is a question that has been being thrown about over and over. Whether it's a world at war, or the threat of nuclear annihilation, or global terrorism run amok, or whatever the doomsday thread of the day is. I don't know about you, but I'm rather thankful that my ancestors were either insane or simply didn't care.

 

And just think, when your parents had you back in the early 90s, people were saying the same thing about anyone that was planning to have kids. Just as they were saying it in the 60s when my parents had me. Just as they were saying it when my father was born, or when my grandfather was born. "Why would anyone bring kids into the world today?" is a question that has been being thrown about over and over. Whether it's a world at war, or the threat of nuclear annihilation, or global terrorism run amok, or whatever the doomsday thread of the day is. I don't know about you, but I'm rather thankful that my ancestors were either insane or simply didn't care.

Your argument is valid, but I think the world is becoming less and less viable of living. Most of the days I don't feel good enough to enjoy living, and it's about what I need to do in those days. I don't feel thankful for being born. I think there should be a trial to see before being born and make the choice of accept or not.

In the 90s technology continued to advance and give quality of life to everyone. Nowadays it's inverting. The RTX 6090 doesn't give you more quality of life than a RTX 1050. The same goes for phones. Medical devices are another thing, they are expensive but they can give you some quality of life. Medicines is somewhat diverse, as it can really have helped you, or it can be too expensive to have the treatment/cure.

Edit: fixed a typo.

 

One brings kids into this world to try and make it a better place, that's why. Wellness is not just gifted, it has to be built first. Otherwise a generation of brats is created, instead of entrepreneurs. Each new generation is responsible (and should be accountable) for making any improvements that they can.

 

One brings kids into this world to try and make it a better place, that's why. Wellness is not just gifted, it has to be built first. Otherwise a generation of brats is created, instead of entrepreneurs. Each new generation is responsible (and should be accountable) for making any improvements that they can.

It's easy to blame human nature instead of the environment we created for them. It's not like you and your partner can change the world for the better and in your lifetime to have a kid in a better place. Just feel the derivative of the wellness: it's decaying, exploding in mental diseases. When you think, well they are 20 now, they can handle it on their own in some parts, then they are depressed, or have anxiety, both, or something worse than both. I don't want to be responsible for something I could choose to not spread my messed-up genes. And if I adopt one, mental diseases are everywhere. If there's a light on the end of the tunnel, it's the train coming fast.