some of the 'scientists' who think we can stop it

To me, it is more fundamental than that: why should we stop it, even if we can?

Climate changes are natural. Some may argue that it is the climate changes that created life on this planet. Why do we want to freeze our climate where it is today? What's so magic and so desirable about the climate we are in right this moment? Not too long ago, north america was covered in ice layers two miles thick. And look how beautiful it is now.

There are obviously tremendous downside to climate changes. But what about its benefits in terms of food production, vegetation, plant life, agriculture, living conditions for many human beings, etc. There is none of those discussions. Instead, the whole decision making is taken out of the voters hands and getting jammed down everyone's throat.

That's why the opposition to global warming is so persistent.

 

I am a skeptic..... things like this always raise questions.

 

To me, it is more fundamental than that: why should we stop it, even if we can?

Climate changes are natural. Some may argue that it is the climate changes that created life on this planet. Why do we want to freeze our climate where it is today? What's so magic and so desirable about the climate we are in right this moment? Not too long ago, north america was covered in ice layers two miles thick. And look how beautiful it is now.

There are obviously tremendous downside to climate changes. But what about its benefits in terms of food production, vegetation, plant life, agriculture, living conditions for many human beings, etc. There is none of those discussions. Instead, the whole decision making is taken out of the voters hands and getting jammed down everyone's throat.

That's why the opposition to global warming is so persistent.

Well.... a lot of coastal low lying real estate is going to get flooded. In US we are talking Boston, New York, probably all of Florida, a lot of Louisiana. Whole bunch of atolls and island nations in Polynesia are just gone. Lots of South East Asia will be nearly gone, lots of Southern China flooded and gone, coastal Vietnam, Thailand. Not sure how bad it will be in England and Ireland. All those Scottish highlands might actually finally be commercially useful...

No matter if you believe or not. If it natural or not. If sea level goes up, the disruptions are going to be huge. I don't see any benefit, short term or long term.

You can look at it in reverse. When North and South Americas were discovered, suddenly the world gained additional real estate, population, ores and other minerals. It took a couple of centuries for things to settle down. But that was back when communication for slow, the travel was slow and dangerous. Things are much more different now, communication is fast, speed of an electron fast. Travel is fast and a lot less dangerous. The decision cycle is much much faster now.

 

No matter if you believe or not. If it natural or not. If sea level goes up, the disruptions are going to be huge.

That's more or less the way I think. It doesn't matter who (or what) is to blame, we're still stuck with the same problem. And the measures and ugly decisions needed to face it will still be the same.

 

If sea level goes up, the disruptions are going to be huge.

So you would conclude that the impact is "huge" regardless of the materiality of sea level rises? Is the impact as "huge" if the sea level goes up 1mm, or 1km?

I don't see any benefit

Time to expand your horizons .

 

So you would conclude that the impact is "huge" regardless of the materiality of sea level rises? Is the impact as "huge" if the sea level goes up 1mm, or 1km?



Time to expand your horizons .

My horizons are quiet large, full of corn and soy bean fields of Midwest.

I agree with you about qualifiers. Even a little change will affect places like Florida and coastal South East Asia. Those Cliffs of Dover are not going to be concerned with even 100 mm.

 

No matter if you believe or not. If it natural or not. If sea level goes up, the disruptions are going to be huge. I don't see any benefit, short term or long term.

I disagree.

There seems to be some massive societal mental block that relates to timelines which are measured in centuries and tens of generations of people at minimum not hours or days Vs typical societal construction/urban center upkeep and renewal practices involved which are measured in years to decades at most.

I mean seriously think about how far our world culture and levels of construction has came and advanced in the last 200 years. Do you honestly think that from today on absolutely no upkeep renewal or new construction is going to happen in any low-lying urban centers in the next century to thousand plus years and that zero adjustments to any local population/transportation/sea side utilization and related systems will happen too?

Very little of what we build is static when viewed on century and larger time scales. Rather it's in an ever changing ever adjusting and adapting state of flux.

A little over a century ago a major seaside urban center filling in a bay to make room for more land development was a major multi-year to decade plus undertaking. Now we knock down small mountains to build entire islands that are measured in square miles in a few years or less and think nothing of it.

So given that does anyone who has half a brain really think that we as a world society are not going to simply adjust along the way as we have been doing since day one of anywhere we have settled?

 

Even a little change will affect places like Florida and coastal South East Asia.

How little of a change and how much of an effect?

If you can not fix a set of numbers there is no way to have an intelligent discussion.

 

How little of a change and how much of an effect?

If you can fix a set of numbers there is no way to have an intelligent discussion.

There's also the realistic timeline involved. fractions of inches per decade is a pretty slow rate of change Vs inches per day.

 

Shouldn't one just ask himself, "Given my geography, age, life expectancy, and rate of sea level rise, am I more likely to drown or die of old age?" and then lead the remainder of one's life appropriately?

 

Shouldn't one just ask himself, "Given my geography, age, life expectancy, and rate of sea level rise, am I more likely to drown or die of old age?" and then lead the remainder of one's life appropriately?

In my case I'd have to factor in the expectancy, and quality of life, of my children and grandchildren....

 

of my children and grandchildren....

Why? Did your wife give birth to potted plants?

 

Why? Did your wife give birth to potted plants?

let's say that she loves them as if they were her own offspring...

 

Shouldn't one just ask himself, "Given my geography, age, life expectancy, and rate of sea level rise, am I more likely to drown or die of old age?" and then lead the remainder of one's life appropriately?

Other wise known as the "Ayn Rand principal".

 

Other wise known as the "Ayn Rand principal".

No. This one would be known as the "joeyd999 principle".

 

Ayn Rand principal

I had never read her bio, until now. Very interesting observation. Thanks!

 

Back in 2009 Al Gore bought an ocean-view mansion for almost $9 million, in Montecito, CA. Elevation (of the town) is 180 feet. So he either isn't too worried or figures that 100 feet more ocean moves his mansion that much closer to ocean-front instead of ocean-view.

The real estate and stock markets have so far put no confidence in the predictions of rising sea levels.

 

In my case I'd have to factor in the expectancy, and quality of life, of my children and grandchildren....

Why? Are your children and grandchildren incapable of physical movement like trees rooted to the ground or so dumb they can't come out of the water even if given a lifetime to think about which direction to walk?

If you answer yes to either one of those it's a very good chance that society is better off without them.

Also, what quality of life do they have now that limits them to never being able to physically move out of harms way even if given several lifetimes to do it?

 

If sea level goes up, the disruptions are going to be huge.

Gee, guys. I told you on page one that I'm keeping an eye on this. I'll let you know if there is any detectable change. There will be plenty of time for you to panic when the salt water meets the lunch deck at my local bayou restaurant.

 

Gee, guys. I told you on page one that I'm keeping an eye on this. I'll let you know if there is any detectable change. There will be plenty of time for you to panic when the salt water meets the lunch deck at my local bayou restaurant.

Thank you Hashtag One Two.
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