ARC-5 Military Power?

AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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https://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/ARC-5_PS/ARC-5_PS.html

Near the bottom of the page is this:
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This is a reasonable approach for the high voltage, but it has a possibly critical error. The output voltage will be a little under 340 Vac. I don't have any experience with these radios, but that is a significant increase over the numbers so far in this thread. That is why the high voltage transformer in #20 is 1:1.4 instead of 1:2 (1:1 transformers followed by a voltage doubler).

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MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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REALLY, the ARC5 receiver will work with a lower V+ supply! so just use a 24 volt transformer and a voltage multiplier circuit to get about 100 volts (no load) for the high voltage, and use the 24 volts to supply the tube heaters. I have used the receiver in a 12 volt car and it does work adequately with that 28 volt dynamotor fed by the "12 volt" power from the lighter plug. BUT you don't get as much volume from the audio output..
 

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Kim Sleep

Joined Nov 6, 2014
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https://www.skywaves.ar88.net/homebrew/ARC-5_PS/ARC-5_PS.html

Near the bottom of the page is this:
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This is a reasonable approach for the high voltage, but it has a possibly critical error. The output voltage will be a little under 340 Vac. I don't have any experience with these radios, but that is a significant increase over the numbers so far in this thread. That is why the high voltage transformer in #20 is 1:1.4 instead of 1:2 (1:1 transformers followed by a voltage doubler).

ak
Since 24vac Transformers are easily available, and 26 vac transformers are harder to find, will a 24vac unit "float" closer to 26vac, and will they be acceptable for this useage??
 

AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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Since 24vac Transformers are easily available, and 26 vac transformers are harder to find, will a 24vac unit "float" closer to 26vac, and will they be acceptable for this useage??
If you are asking about two back-to-back transformers acting as a single 11 isolation transformer, it doesn't matter what the secondary voltages are as long as they are equal. Also, 25.2 Vac is a commonly available value.

Note that for the same overall output power, higher secondary voltages mean lower secondary currents.

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MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Military radio equipment intended for 28 volt systems, ESPECIALLY the ARC5 receiver, is quite forgiving of lower supply voltages..It will operate off of only 20 volts, not quite as well, but it will still receive. The audio power output will be less, but that is to be expected..
The "28 volts" rating is when the generator in the plane is putting out full power, the 24 volts is when the radio is only running off the battery with no generator running. And the 12 volts was running in my car back in 1965. That radio has a dynamotor clearly marked "28 volts". YES, and the tubes did take longer to warm up. I did rewire the tube heaters all in parallel so that 12 volts would power them properly. BUT I could not get a 12 volt dynamotor.
 

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Kim Sleep

Joined Nov 6, 2014
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If Im using 2 back to back transformers, a diode bridge and capacitors, (as in Post #21 illustration)what should the fuse be on the incoming 120v line?
 

AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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If Im using 2 back to back transformers, a diode bridge and capacitors, (as in Post #21 illustration)what should the fuse be on the incoming 120v line?
Whatever the fuse would be if the load were connected directly to the mains, plus 10% to 25% to cover transformer losses.

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MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Are transformersthat terribly expensive currently?? Is there a total lack of discarded electronic equipment? I have found that used transformers are often very long-lasting, because they have already passed the comon short-term failure modes ages.
Of course, it may be that I have developed an instinct as to what sort of useless equipment will yield the most useful components. Buying stuff new would be painfully expensive in most instances.
 

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Kim Sleep

Joined Nov 6, 2014
428
Are transformersthat terribly expensive currently?? Is there a total lack of discarded electronic equipment? I have found that used transformers are often very long-lasting, because they have already passed the comon short-term failure modes ages.
Of course, it may be that I have developed an instinct as to what sort of useless equipment will yield the most useful components. Buying stuff new would be painfully expensive in most instances.
Not necessarily, but yes, some are. The exclusive useage of switching supplies have made them a bit redundant. Our surplus store here has transformers in a huge pile that you have to dig trough to get the voltage you require, as they cant be bothered to seperate them themselves. Shipping from the States is VERY prohibitive (because the great orange god has commanded it to be), and thats the best place to easily get the EXACT voltage that you want. I did end up finding the 26volt transformers I was looking for on EBay, and they were so insanely cheap that even the shipping and duty charges didnt make them too expensive.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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The reallycool thing about my ARC5 receivers is that the only items I have ever needed to replace was one of those short-can capacitors and one burned out tube. The short can one was, I think, on the B+ line, 0.47MFD, I think I substituted a 400 volt paper cap from an old TV. (I was in high school at the time, 1964, I think. The radio played fine in my workshop.
The selectivity is great! I could get WLS @890 with an antena outside, and not get interference from WWL@870, (50KW)whose antenna tower could see on a clear day .
 
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