And now for something weird...

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.kptv.com/bulls-found-de...cle_5beb677c-20f5-52a6-bf4a-785784481783.html
SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The first dead bull was found in a timbered ravine in eastern Oregon. There was no indication it had been shot, attacked by predators or eaten poisonous plants.

The animal’s sex organs and tongue had been removed. All the blood was gone.

In the next few days, four more Hereford bulls were found within 1.5 miles (2.5 kilometers) in the same condition. There were no tracks around the carcasses.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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How do you think they got it?

kv
After fighting for the crown or as other rewards. Mostly to do with Britain but it was similar in other counties; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_English_land_law

On my mothers side I can trace my ancestry back to when they came to Britain with William the Conqueror from Franc/Normandy and he was a knight. He was given a land claim that was later taken away/revoked because of his religious beliefs. So to me that means he and his brothers didn't own the land, it may mean something different too you or others.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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After fighting for the crown or as other rewards. Mostly to do with Britain but it was similar in other counties; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_English_land_law

On my mothers side I can trace my ancestry back to when they came to Britain with William the Conqueror from Franc/Normandy and he was a knight. He was given a land claim that was later taken away/revoked because of his religious beliefs. So to me that means he and his brothers didn't own the land, it may mean something different too you or others.
William gave back the lands to the lords of England, a knight is servitude to the king " William". The lords held all knights fealty, keeping the power held to the previous king. But, as you note: William did not give anything to anyone not sovereign birth, to be a knight is nothing but a Bond till death to the king or the Sovereign Lord. William didn't have enough forces to continue his reign once he held ground, he then reinforced it with the local Lords and their Armies, thus extinguishing any other verbal contracts. This is one of the Greatest accomplishments that England still heralds "William" as the "Conqueror" when he gave back to England their Lords.

They wanted a greater England and he Accomplished it, through some of the most brutal and carnage the world has ever seen since "Vlad the Impaler" the word "Devastation" is attributed to William as he left "Villages" all dead including animals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/trail/conquest/norman/william_the_conqueror_04.shtml

The siege of Ely was one of many local acts of resistance against the Normans. The most bitter and sustained warfare was in the north. When the Northumbrians rose against William in 1069 he punished them by deliberately devastating the entire province.
kv
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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William gave back the lands to the lords of England, a knight is servitude to the king " William". The lords held all knights fealty, keeping the power held to the previous king. But, as you note: William did not give anything to anyone not sovereign birth, to be a knight is nothing but a Bond till death to the king or the Sovereign Lord. William didn't have enough forces to continue his reign once he held ground, he then reinforced it with the local Lords and their Armies, thus extinguishing any other verbal contracts. This is one of the Greatest accomplishments that England still heralds "William" as the "Conqueror" when he gave back to England their Lords.

They wanted a greater England and he Accomplished it, through some of the most brutal and carnage the world has ever seen since "Vlad the Impaler" the word "Devastation" is attributed to William as he left "Villages" all dead including animals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/trail/conquest/norman/william_the_conqueror_04.shtml



kv
What does that have to do with the idea of where commoners got their land rights?
William gave back the lands to the lords of England,
Just goes to prove my point.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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Just goes to prove my point.
Don't know how you arrived at that, but no need to exhaust myself. I guess you missed the ruthlessness of "William" to maintain control of lands gained thru a scorched earth campaign. I guess your loosing your points in conversation, just to control the narrative.

Typical.

kv
 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Don't know how you arrived at that, but no need to exhaust myself. I guess you missed the ruthlessness of "William" to maintain control of lands gained thru a scorched earth campaign. I guess your loosing your points in conversation, just to control the narrative.

Typical.

kv
Typical that you change the narrative of your post from how land was taken from your ancestors to "william" being a bad guy. Land that wasn't "theirs" but the kings in the first place.
 
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