And now for something weird...

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/12/state_board_concedes_it_violat.html
A state panel violated a Beaverton man's free speech rights by claiming he had unlawfully used the title "engineer'' and by fining him when he repeatedly challenged Oregon's traffic-signal timing before local media and policymakers, Oregon's attorney general has ruled.

Oregon's Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying unconstitutionally applied state law governing engineering practice to Mats Järlström when he exercised his free speech about traffic lights and described himself as an engineer since he was doing so "in a noncommercial'' setting and not soliciting professional business, the state Department of Justice has conceded.
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Jarlstrom has a bachelor of science degree in engineering and has repeatedly challenged the state's timing of yellow traffic lights as too short. The state board had fined him $500 for "unlicensed practice of engineering.'' Järlström identified himself as an engineer in emails he sent to city officials and the Washington County sheriff challenging the traffic light signal timing.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I don't understand your argument.
Oops... I failed to read that paragraph... down here having professional degree from a credited university automatically gives you permission to practice nationwide. You don't need a state by state license for that.

As I said, I overlooked the fact that he does indeed have a college degree.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Practice what?
Whatever profession you happened to study... I'm a mechanical engineer, so I have a license to practice it nationwide. If you graduated from medical school, you can practice basic medicine and surgery anywhere. Specialities, on the other hand, are a different thing, such as cardiology or ophtalmology.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Whatever profession you happened to study... I'm a mechanical engineer, so I have a license to practice it nationwide.
So, for example, if you graduate with a BS in Civil Engineering, you are allowed to go build bridges that actual people drive on?

Remind me not to drive in Mexico next time I'm there.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
8,765
So, for example, if you graduate with a BS in Civil Engineering, you are allowed to go build bridges that actual people drive on?

Remind me not to drive in Mexico next time I'm there.
Not that simple... after graduating, you have to get a federal certificate as a "calculista", in order to design structures. If you don't have that certificate, you can design the structure yourself, and then (for a fee) take it to someone who does, who can vouch for your design and sign it off.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Not that simple... after graduating, you have to get a federal certificate as a "calculista", in order to design structures. If you don't have that certificate, you can design the structure yourself, and then (for a fee) take it to someone who does, who can vouch for your design and sign it off.
Ok, then. Sounds the same as here. We call it a PE (Professional Engineer) license.

Pretty much anyone can call themselves an "engineer", but to do something of consequence (i.e. where lives are at risk), a license is required.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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So now I can claim to be a medical doctor (as long as I do it in a noncommercial way) and declare that as free speech? o_O .... what a bunch of nonsense...
Sure, bogus Naturopathic Doctors do it everyday in a commercial way. Now, if they say “physician”, that's another story.

The government doesn't own the word engineer or scientist. The guy trying to launch the stream rocket over the town was called a Rocket Scientist. Should somebody be fined for that?
 
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