I don't talk to spooks...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident

Another hypothesis popularised by Donnie Eichar's 2013 book Dead Mountain is that wind going around Kholatsyakal Mountain created a Kármán vortex street, which can produce infrasoundcapable of inducing panic attacks in humans.[37][38] According to Eichar's theory, the infrasound generated by the wind as it passed over the top of the Holatchahl mountain was responsible for causing physical discomfort and mental distress in the hikers.[37] Eichar claims that, because of their panic, the hikers were driven to leave the tent by whatever means necessary, and fled down the slope. By the time they were further down the hill, they would have been out of the infrasound's path and would have regained their composure, but in the darkness would be unable to return to their shelter.[37] The traumatic injuries suffered by three of the victims were the result of their stumbling over the ledge of a ravine in the darkness and landing on the rocks at the bottom.

kv

 

But you can't prove it...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident




kv

Exactly, even if these weapons were real and effective the effect would be temporary unless there was actual brain injury. If these people are still suffering actual effects years later, those injuries would most likely be easy to find instead missing even with the most sensitive tests we currently have.

 

But you can't prove it...

No, you simply eliminate the ridiculous conspiracy theories and misleading 'fake news' reporting.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...nic-attack-study-mostly-spin-little-substance

To the layperson reading this technical study, it sounds like something sinister really did take place in Cuba. Even major media outlets bit: The New York Post carried the headline, "Cuba 'sonic attacks' changed US diplomats' brains, study finds."

But take a look at the fine print.

While the study's lead author, Ragini Verma of the University of Pennsylvania, called the results "pretty jaw-dropping," the only thing that was truly jaw-dropping was how poor the study was. For starters, brain changes do not equate to brain damage. Further 12 of those affected had pre-existing histories of concussion, compared to none in the healthy controls. Such differences could go a long way toward explaining the differences between the two groups.

Here is what a lot of people do not realize: The stress associated with mass psychogenic illness can cause changes in brain function. The literature on mass hysteria is filled with outbreaks involving patients exhibiting neurological abnormalities. These are not the short-lived cases in which someone detects an unfamiliar odor, falls ill, then quickly recovers, usually within hours and rarely longer than a day. There is a second type of outbreak that is characterized by the appearance of neurological symptoms. These types of cases typically involve exposure to long-term stress that occurs for months and even years. This second outbreak type is what happened in Cuba.

My brain hurts after hearing that.

 

A very interesting, and perhaps more plausible, explanation:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49770369

But the Canadian team suggests that neurotoxins from mosquito fumigation are the more likely cause.

The Zika virus, carried by mosquitoes, was a major health concern at the time.

 

A very interesting, and perhaps more plausible, explanation:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49770369

Sonic or microwave weapons was always science fiction in the Canadian case.

Based on the clinical course, symptoms, clinical tests and imaging data, we propose chronic low grade cholinesterase inhibitor toxicity as a likely working medical diagnosis underlying then socalled “Havana syndrome” in Canadians diplomats and their families who were/ are living in Havana and tested as part of the present study. Here we summarize the clinical, imaging and biochemical evidence consistent with this diagnosis in light of the medical and scientific literature. While other causes of brain injury cannot be ruled out, in the absence of a better explanation we propose means for prevention, screening and follow-up of individuals in the context of exposure to neurotoxins. Additional toxicological tests are being performed to further support, and perhaps confirm, the diagnosis and to identify specific agents individuals have been exposed to. Furthermore, such testing will help develop the means for rapid future assessment

 

Sonic or microwave weapons was always science fiction in the Canadian case.

Please explain, are you implying that is is not in the American case?

The mosquito spraying seems to me to be the first plausible explanation I have seen. I suspect that many Cubans were also affected but this was covered up by the government.

Bob

 

It is looking more probable, 60 Minutes did a story on a microwave weapon that can be heard as seems to cause long term damage, if it keeps being used it will be tracked down, and simple simple sensors developed. This sound like a job for a HAARM missile. scaled down.

 

Please explain, are you implying that is is not in the American case?

The mosquito spraying seems to me to be the first plausible explanation I have seen. I suspect that many Cubans were also affected but this was covered up by the government.

Bob

In the American case there was first a 'sonic' attack and then 'brain' anomalies. So it looks like the US was caught between the invasion of crickets and the war on mosquitoes.

 

It is looking more probable, 60 Minutes did a story on a microwave weapon that can be heard as seems to cause long term damage, if it keeps being used it will be tracked down, and simple simple sensors developed. This sound like a job for a HAARM missile. scaled down.

60 Minutes is in the business of selling soap, not the truth.

https://rdouglasfields.com/2019/03/...nic-or-microwave-weapon-harming-us-diplomats/

 

I don't talk to spooks...

Yes you do.

 

60 Minutes is in the business of selling soap, not the truth.

https://rdouglasfields.com/2019/03/...nic-or-microwave-weapon-harming-us-diplomats/

Thing is, microwaves are undetectable by our senses, but we humans have gotten quite good at detecting them if we are looking for them, it is even easy nowadays.

As with science, we now have a testable hypothesis for next time, if there is ever a next time.

 

Thing is, microwaves are undetectable by our senses, but we humans have gotten quite good at detecting them if we are looking for them, it is even easy nowadays.

As with science, we now have a testable hypothesis for next time, if there is ever a next time.

Personal in Cuba already have the most advanced systems for the detection of RF energy to prevent spying. Anything from DC to light is already covered. We spy on each other in Cuba but we didn't hurt people even in the height of the cold war. The Cuba paranoia about intentional attacks has absolutely no evidence to back it up.

 

Shhh stop giving away state secrets

 

I find it a interesting that the US came up with high tech conspiracy theories, while the Canadians did a scientific investigation. Politics once again trumped reason.

Bob

 

I find it a interesting that the US came up with high tech conspiracy theories, while the Canadians did a scientific investigation. Politics once again trumped reason.

Bob

In this case it's not politics IMO. The microwave/sonic stuff was mainly outside government, spread by the media and provoked the usual canned anti-commie line from government officials from across the political spectrum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome#Theories_regarding_cause

A cause or source of the phenomenon has never been definitely determined.[6][37] In 2018, U.S. State Department medical director Dr. Charles Rosenfarb testified to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the "unique constellation of symptoms and findings" had "no obvious cause."[38]

 

Shhh stop giving away state secrets

I have to believe the technical staff at the Embassy in Cuba laughed out loud at the thought of Sonic or RF weapons being used. It's not a state secret that we've been listening to just about every bit of Cuba communications since the Bay of Pigs. Most of the guys at the comm unit worked civilian side-jobs at FBIS in Key West sending open intercept translations to Virginia for a little extra drinking money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Broadcast_Information_Service

FBIS had approximately 20 stations, commonly called bureaus, that were located around the world. These stations operated as an adjunct of a U.S. embassy/consulate or military command. Bureaus opened and closed at various times depending on the world situation and local circumstances. These stations were not covert and operated with the consent of the host government. In addition, a few of the bureaus were located on territory belonging to or administered by the US such as Key West, Florida, Bahia Sucia, Puerto Rico,[4] the Panama Canal Zone, etc. The personnel in the stations were both U.S. citizens and foreign nationals who were responsible for the collection, translation, and dissemination of foreign open source material. Depending on location, and the availability of print media, these personnel may have been responsible for translation of more than one language. It should also be noted that because of the large number print/radio/TV/satellite sources worldwide FBIS did not collect all open source material, but only those sources that met the requirements of the Intelligence Community.

Besides the translations done overseas a large volume of less-time sensitive material was sent to FBIS headquarters in Rosslyn and Reston where a more detailed translation could take place.

Not only were translations provided by in-house FBIS personnel, but approximately 700 independent contractors were also employed.

 

Those were the good old days when everything was analog and so easy to intercept. We used to have a lot of fun with our test equipment