A Kirchoff's Law Question

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  1. rdb1

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    So I am working on an example question which has three resistors, 1.5ohms, 4 ohms and 12 ohms connected in parallel, across a 10 volt supply, so I have to calculate the current flowing through each resistor and prove Kirchoff Current Law.

    So the first step I did was to use OHMS Law as I need to find the current of each.

    So R1 V(10) / R(1.5) = 6.6 R2 V(10) / R (4) = 2.5 R3 V(10) / R(12) = 0.12

    So then if I add them all together I get 9.93

    Is this correct?
     
  2. dl324

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    Check your arithmetic again.
     
  3. rdb1

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    Sorry V is 10 so that's the same

    R1 is 1.5 and the Current is 6.6 or 20/3
    R2 is 4 and the Current is 2.5 or 5/2
    R3 is 12 and the Current is 0.83 or 5/6

    To find the Current you do Voltage divided by the Resistance using OHMS Law.
     
  4. dl324

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    Yes.

    What is 20/3 + 5/2 + 5/6? Is it 9.93?

    BTW, you have a typo in your first post. 10/12 is not 0.12.
     
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  5. rdb1

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    When you add them all together its 10.
     
  6. rdb1

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    So there is another

    Voltage is 144

    R1 is 18 Current is 8
    R2 is 20 Current is 36/5
    R3 is 30 Current is 24/5

    But then when I add the Current together I get 20.
     
  7. Jony130

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    And where is the problem then?
     
  8. rdb1

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    It requires that you calculate the current flowing through each resistor and prove Kirchoff's Current Law. So then how would you prove that?
     
  9. Jony130

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    Are you trying to tell me that the Itot = 20A is a wrong answer?
     
  10. WBahn

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    As already noted, you've got some arithmetic problems.

    But aside form that, how do you plan to use this to "prove" Kirchhoff's Current Law?

    If you find the current in each resistor and add them up, you get 10 A. Fine. So what? How does that prove KCL?

    If you determine that the total current from the voltage source is 10 A and then, from that, that KCL is satisfied at that node, does that somehow prove KCL?

    No, it doesn't. Because how did you determine that the current from the voltage source is 10 A? If you did it by finding the equivalent resistance of all three resistors in parallel, then you can't use that to prove KCL because the formula that you used to find the equivalent resistance was based on the assumption that KCL is valid. Hence the "proof" is circular.
     
  11. rdb1

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    The current is stated in the question as 10A from the supply it then gives you the Resistors in Parallel.
     
  12. WBahn

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    Okay... if you accept the 10 A total as a given, then summing up the individual currents and getting 10 A is less objectionable. I still wouldn't call it a "proof" of KCL, but would phrase it as verifying that KCL is satisfied.
     
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  13. rdb1

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    Okay, if you look at my other question post 6. When I try and do the same I get 20. When really I would assume that it should be 144.
     
  14. WBahn

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    Here is where sloppiness with units is biting you.

    So let's take a look.

    You say that the voltage is 144.

    But it's not. Just as my height is not 72.

    The voltage is 144 V.

    Units are a critical part of any physical quantity.

    Then you say that R1 is 18 and that Current is 8.

    Neither of these are correct.

    R1 is 18 Ω. Current is 8 A.

    Similarly,

    R2 is 20 Ω. Current is 36/5 A
    R3 is 30 Ω. Current is 24/5 A

    When you add the Currents together, you get 20 A.

    Do you see where there is a problem trying to compare 20 A to 144 V?

    Do you see what it is you should be comparing here?
     
  15. jayanthd

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    Simulation result for Post #1 Question.

    KL1.png

    Simulation result for Post #5 Question.

    KL2.png
     
  16. rdb1

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    I see what you mean.
     
  17. jayanthd

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    Battery had internal resistance of 0.1R in my previous simulation. I removed it. Here are the results.

    KL1_1.png


    KL2_1.png
     
  18. rdb1

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    Thanks for that I see were I was going wrong. You need to find the total current in this case 20A, then if you look at the amps going into each of the resistors it should add up to the total current.
     
  19. DrewStupid

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    If the votage drop over each risistor adds up to the supply voltage and the current through each parrallel resistor adds up to total current (IT) it simply proves that your calculations are correct. It does not proof the law !
     
  20. rdb1

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    So then how do you prove KCL?
     
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