555 PWM Question

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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Like I said, the circuit shown in post #74 should work with either voltage. Not quite as linear on the PWM adjust, but pretty close. All you do is connect pin 7. I may not have the right formula for the frequency on it though, it could be

F = 1.4 / ( RC)

It is odd how you are making me recheck some basic assumptions on my part.
 

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DC_Kid

Joined Feb 25, 2008
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Like I said, the circuit shown in post #74 should work with either voltage. Not quite as linear on the PWM adjust, but pretty close. All you do is connect pin 7. I may not have the right formula for the frequency on it though, it could be

F = 1.4 / ( RC)

It is odd how you are making me recheck some basic assumptions on my part.
when using 1u & 3500ohm (plus the 10k pot), i do seem to get accurate freq adjustment from 52-200Hz. its the 1-68Hz (by math) using 68u & 150ohm that peaked out at 30Hz on the scope.

right now i am using two freq ranges
52-200Hz using 1u & 3.5kohm
3-56Hz using 22u & 500ohm

the question is, is the 7555 output being damaged by sourcing & sinking current into a 1/3full and 2/3full capacitor across 500ohm? with an empty cap the inrush would be ~5/500=10mA, which is likely less in operation because the cap is never 100% full or empty (except for startup), etc.

so in essence, the circuit i have works the way i want it to. now i just need to convince myself that it will run forever. i have had my circuit running at different freq and pwm% for last 4 days and nothing seems to need attention, nothing hot, nothing smelling funny, etc.

the whole reason behind me using 5v is to accommodate user provided wall wart in the 7-35vdc/ac, an option for the user, less cost, etc.
 

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DC_Kid

Joined Feb 25, 2008
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i tried 555CN with 5v and saw the same as 7555. per Bill's request i then up'd the voltage to 12v and things look a tad differently and i am now getting better freq ranges.

1u & 3kohm yields 47-205Hz
22u & 500ohm yields 2.6-60Hz

this means with 12v the 555 output is sinking/sourcing just below 80mA as it charges and discharges the RC circuit.
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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For low voltage operation (power supply 5V) you probably want higher range resistors. At higher power supply voltages the 7555/7556 will work better than at lower power supply voltages.

The hysteretic oscillator requires good sourcing and sinking on the output. Using pin 7 (discharge) it doesn't matter as much, but even then low voltage will mean the internal CMOS (if it is a CMOS chip) will not turn on as hard. With a conventional 555 the 1.2V drop below Vcc is what is driving the irregularities.

At this point it is your call, since it is your design.
 

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DC_Kid

Joined Feb 25, 2008
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@11v with 500ohm (i measure 11v on output and my supply says 12.1v using 555CN), thats 0.88 watts, but 555 runs at 50% duty cycle. so this means my 500ohm is dissipating ~0.44watt and i am using 1/4watt resistor. i need to check on how hot my 500ohm is getting.

edit: using my IR temp gun, the 555 is running right around 82F and i didnt get any reading on the 500ohm resistor above what the rest of the breadboard or parts are (about 77F). ambient is 77F. the RC circuit only looks like Vout/500ohm when the cap is 100% empty.

so at sourcing (cap at 1/3 Vcc) the Vdiff is (11-(.33*12.1) = 7.007v
so at source time the 500ohm will see 7/500 = 14mA, 11v*14mA = 0.154watt

at sinking time the cap is 2/3 Vcc = ~8v
so at sink time the 500ohm will see 8/500 = 16mA, 8v*16mA = 0.128watt

well below the capability of my 1/4watt resistors.
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now, lets run the same math using 5v on 7555 (output swings 0-Vcc)

so at sourcing (cap at 1/3 Vcc) the Vdiff is (5-(.33*5) = 3.35v
so at source time the 500ohm will see 3.35/500 = 6.7mA, 3.35*6.7mA = 0.022watt
(maybe 6.7mA is too much for 7555 output to handle when Vcc=5v?)

at sinking time the cap is 2/3 Vcc = ~3.33v
so at sink time the 500ohm will see 3.33/500 = 6.6mA, 3.33v*6.6mA = 0.022watt
 
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