The Arrogance of Innocence

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Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
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Your title should be, "The Arrogance of Ignorance".
I chose "innocence" because of its various meanings. The lack of sophistication and the implied blamelessness. I do believe that people who suffer from what I am describing are sincere but misguided, so they would be quite shocked to realize the level of arrogance that appears to those who aren't ignorant about the thing they are trying to do.

It's connected to Dunning-Kruger with the innocent person simply unable to imagine why their simple idea can't work.

I learned, long ago, from being on both sides of this sort of thing that when we imagine the (smart, experienced) people who are working to solve a problem are missing the "obvious" solution it is almost always a matter of not having enough information to understand the problem itself and so feeling there really is a "simple" solution.

Of course there are cases when the inexpert are struggling and complicating something that the expert could solve simply, but that's not the case I am addressing.
 

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Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
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I must admit that - due to linguistic deficiencies - I am not able to follow the discussion in detail.
Therefore, to understand the real background of your point: Can you please provide some examples for your assertion?
A classical case can be found in the thousands of YouTube videos on perpetual motion and over-unity power generation. These people ignore the experts because to them it's obvious that if they just "get it right", it will work. Their innocence of the limiting physics makes this belief possible, but no matter what they propose, they will never exceed those limits.

I mean, darn it, those magnets attract stuff, if I can just arrange them the right way...
 

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Ya’akov

Joined Jan 27, 2019
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Yaakov I agree! I also say it's interesting how that same principal applies to careers of businesses, politicians and even just entertainers! They start out with novel idea which is very well received until success (which I say is fair parallel to sophistication in narrow sense of what I'm saying here) makes them swell headed, complacent, paradoxically self-conscious and I say worst of all totally deaf to their constituency:rolleyes:!

So anyhow I'm sorry this is a little OT from your post, but I couldn't help commenting on parallel:cool:.
It's not a problem. I wrote this in the style of poetry intentionally. The ambiguity of aphorisms is a strength I enjoy. Your interpretation is consistent, and while it isn't what I had in mind, when it comes to ambiguous writing the reader's interpretation, if it is internally consistent and sensible, is just as valid as the writer's.
 
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