I find that a reason to look elsewhere.
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I find that a reason to look elsewhere.

You look where the funding is.

 

Always be a science skeptic.

 

You look where the funding is.

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I would say that most, if not all "Professionals" must do this if they expect to survive.

This, unfortunately, and inescapably, causes biases towards a particular desired "narrative".

I'm not interested in any "investment" in any particular "narrative",
especially when it doesn't appear to be of benefit to anyone but the investor(s).

I spent several days of time, ( over a period of several weeks ), doing Internet searches for Grants.
All of the Grants were for the development of salable-commodities, or political-narratives.
This sounds like a miserable Life for any real Scientist.
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Always be a science skeptic.

https://retractionwatch.com/

 

And what have I said that makes you think I believe this?

I have simply argued that anything outside our light cone is unknowable and unobservable, now and forever.

Aside from that, there are at least infinitely many things that we do not yet know that are fully discoverable -- a minutely small portion of which will be discovered in our lifetimes. These things I look forward to excitedly.

Hi,

Yes, but when you say "not and forever" that implies that you believe that it will never be possible.

You seem to contradict yourself though when you said that you like the 'edge' described better as a "horizon", yet you don't believe there is anything over the horizon that can be discovered because it is unknowable and unobservable for now and in the complete future. It's not a horizon if you can't ever get to a place over the horizon.

The fact that you can use the words "now and forever" means that you can somehow see into the future, after the many years to come of discovery and advances in technology. I don't believe you can be that strict in a statement unless you have proof. I know for a fact that you cannot possibly have that information unless you came from some other universe (ha ha).
Like I said before, you are holding onto CURRENT science as the end of all ends in knowledge.

Anyway, I think it's time to put this discussion to bed. You have your beliefs and I have mine, and there's nothing wrong with either of those two. It has been interesting though.

BTW, I talked to ai bots about subjects like this that are more or less unknowable at the current time. It defaults to its own arguments no matter what you say to it, yet those arguments are not inclusive enough in that they leave out details and basic logic. I guess that's what we've come to expect from them now though.

 

Who said that?

I have been hoping to see a new discovery in fundamental physics ever since I graduated with my physics degree in 1973. None has come. I still consider it a possibility. That does not mean I believe it will happen in my lifetime.

String theory, dark matter, supersymmetry, quantum gravity, and other things that were speculative then still are now. I actually find that depressing.

Yes, I know what you mean, but if we look at the historical record again, as each advancement is discovered it seems they are farther and farther apart in time. It could be ages before we know anything absolutely.
The fact that very knowledgeable people work in this area tells me they must believe something but who knows exactly what.
The last I read they think they have found a star made of dark matter. Is it true? I can't know for sure and I guess they have to do more experiments to find out for sure.
Another interesting thing is that there have been advances in quantum computing so they are progressing it's just slow.
Haven't heard too much more about fusion though in the past few months or so.

It's going to take time for sure, unless we end up discovering a major breakthrough all of a sudden, and that does happen. Many of the past discoveries were found simply by noting that something unusual happened and then investigating. It may take more than that for some things however. All we can do is wait and see, or look for ways to contribute.

 

There will be no useful discoveries until the pioneers get out of their tiny bubble
and start taking into consideration "The World of Woo-Woo".

Yes, I dare to go there.
These questions regarding the extent or age of the Universe
are easily put to rest by many of the disciplines that are
off-handedly dismissed by the most advanced "Scientists".

The premise ........
You agreed to be born into a very thick and heavy, Third-Dimension limited, artificial "Matrix" Experience,
and You also agreed to having yourself handicapped by a complete case of amnesia.
Which equates to "starting out a Life with a blank-slate".

This case of amnesia occasionally fails to "stick" completely, and therefore some people
experience inexplicable, strange phenomenons, dreams, communications with outside entities, etc.

Then "fear-of-the-unknown" kicks-in.

There are other, individual, forms of consciousnesses, or "entities" for lack of a better term,
existing in the same space as You, right this minute.
They are not necessarily any "smarter" than You are, and they are not "better" than You,
but they may normally be aware of things that You have little chance of becoming aware of
while You are having a "Human" experience.

The vast majority of them have far higher standards of Ethics than can be
easily imagined in our present limited reality.
But a few rather "Evil" ones are allowed to interact here to provide
a source of problems, or obstacles, to learn serious life-lessons from.
( if there was no ugly, how would You know what is beautiful ? )

You can't have a Game if You have the ability to instantly read your supposed opponent's Mind.

This Planet is just one giant Lab-Experiment, and You are part of it.

There is a massive Que of various Entities from all over the Galaxy eagerly waiting for
a chance at being a part of this "Lab-Experiment" called "Earth".
It's a valuable privilege to be here participating in this "Experiment".

The Moon,
being a manufactured Satellite,
which does not rotate on an axis like every single other know Moon,
and which has an extremely tight orbit, which is so tight that it is mathematically impossible,
should give You some kind of a clue that something doesn't quite add-up here.

So if You want to contemplate something deep,
I think the Moon is a better place to start.
The Moon has a far more significant effect on our lives than
something like "how old the Universe may be",
( which is just a distraction by the way, it's completely irrelevant how old it is, or if it even has an "age" ).

Ever wonder why NASA doesn't have any more Moon-Missions ?
Too many people would demand to see what's on the other side,
the side that us "mere peons" have never seen even a bad picture of.
But at this point in history,
the only thing that we would be allowed to see would be 100% CGI generated anyway,
so it's virtually a moot-point,
and the wild speculations will continue to run rampant for lack of useful concrete evidence.

The Moon is most likely the primary Entrance, and Exit Portal, of the Earth,
I think that that possibility is far more interesting, and pertinent to our Lives.
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There will be no useful discoveries until the pioneers get out of their tiny bubble
and start taking into consideration "The World of Woo-Woo".

Yes, I dare to go there.
These questions regarding the extent or age of the Universe
are easily put to rest by many of the disciplines that are
off-handedly dismissed by the most advanced "Scientists".

The premise ........
You agreed to be born into a very thick and heavy, Third-Dimension limited, artificial "Matrix" Experience,
and You also agreed to having yourself handicapped by a complete case of amnesia.
Which equates to "starting out a Life with a blank-slate".

This case of amnesia occasionally fails to "stick" completely, and therefore some people
experience inexplicable, strange phenomenons, dreams, communications with outside entities, etc.

Then "fear-of-the-unknown" kicks-in.

There are other, individual, forms of consciousnesses, or "entities" for lack of a better term,
existing in the same space as You, right this minute.
They are not necessarily any "smarter" than You are, and they are not "better" than You,
but they may normally be aware of things that You have little chance of becoming aware of
while You are having a "Human" experience.

The vast majority of them have far higher standards of Ethics than can be
easily imagined in our present limited reality.
But a few rather "Evil" ones are allowed to interact here to provide
a source of problems, or obstacles, to learn serious life-lessons from.
( if there was no ugly, how would You know what is beautiful ? )

You can't have a Game if You have the ability to instantly read your supposed opponent's Mind.

This Planet is just one giant Lab-Experiment, and You are part of it.

There is a massive Que of various Entities from all over the Galaxy eagerly waiting for
a chance at being a part of this "Lab-Experiment" called "Earth".
It's a valuable privilege to be here participating in this "Experiment".

The Moon,
being a manufactured Satellite,
which does not rotate on an axis like every single other know Moon,
and which has an extremely tight orbit, which is so tight that it is mathematically impossible,
should give You some kind of a clue that something doesn't quite add-up here.

So if You want to contemplate something deep,
I think the Moon is a better place to start.
The Moon has a far more significant effect on our lives than
something like "how old the Universe may be",
( which is just a distraction by the way, it's completely irrelevant how old it is, or if it even has an "age" ).

Ever wonder why NASA doesn't have any more Moon-Missions ?
Too many people would demand to see what's on the other side,
the side that us "mere peons" have never seen even a bad picture of.
But at this point in history,
the only thing that we would be allowed to see would be 100% CGI generated anyway,
so it's virtually a moot-point,
and the wild speculations will continue to run rampant for lack of useful concrete evidence.

The Moon is most likely the primary Entrance, and Exit Portal, of the Earth,
I think that that possibility is far more interesting, and pertinent to our Lives.
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Hi,

Well, we just happened to be talking about that.

Why do you think there is so much concern about the existence or nonexistence of the Big Bang then?

 

There will be no useful discoveries until the pioneers get out of their tiny bubble
and start taking into consideration "The World of Woo-Woo".
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I am left speechless.

 

The "Big-Bang-Theory" is a purposeful distraction.

It is a distraction from the numerous other, more "spiritually" oriented stories,
all of which have been bastardized to one degree or another, or buried in the basement of the Vatican.

There is no "one-place", or "one-source", where all of the answers can be found.

The "Big-Bang-Theory" is patently absurd, and at best, it is speculative in the extreme.
If You repeat a Lie often enough, and make it grandiose enough, people will start to believe that it's true,
especially when You present it as the agreed upon consensus of the "finest-Scientific-Minds" in the World,
( who will be immediately be defamed and ridiculed as a "quack" if they present a dissenting opinion ),
( the new colloquial term for this is called "Being-Cancelled" ).

As I commented before, the speculated-beginning and the speculated-end,
and the speculated "age" of the Universe, have no value that might benefit mankind.
These supposed speculations are merely to create a state of "awe" at the brain-power
it must have taken, and decades of tireless research that must have
gone into this noble and selfless pursuit of "greater-understanding" and "service to humanity".
( dripping with sarcasm )

These declarations have no value other than providing
an supposed "official" and "credible" explanation,
that requires no further research or effort on your part.
This is for the people that have been terribly confused, and misled, by
heavily corrupted Religions, ( this includes virtually ALL Religions, yes, your's too ),
which has caused them to abandon any type of spiritually oriented wisdom.

The MULTIPLE "Gods", ( it's right in the Bible !!! and most other religious texts ),
that set up this "Lab-Experiment"
are quite intelligent, compassionate, and even have a playful and humorous bent.
Their "Technologies", ( for lack of a better term ), have none of the severe limitations of the
thick, heavy, and cumbersome, Third-Dimension-World that we are presently experiencing.
However, there are a few opportunistic "Rogue-Gods" lurking around,
and they will readily put themselves at your disposal, if You allow them to.
They are generally referred to as "The Devil, or "Satan" etc., yes there really are such entities out there,
and there really are sick, Evil people who worship them.

If You avoid the problems, ( Lessons ), that Life presents to You, ( sometimes repeatedly ),
then you'll just have to take that lesson over again until You finally work it out in your own special way.

"Cheating" the "Lessons" is not possible, or even desirable, in any way.

Any and all Lessons, well worked-out, and resolved,
are always graciously rewarded in some manner,
a manner which You may not expect, or immediately recognize.

It is quite probable that You do not recognize the character of
the particular type of "Lesson(s)" that You need to address in this Lifetime,
thus the questions ..........

Why am I here ?, and, What is my Purpose ?

I still don't have a concrete answer to the second question,
but I must have done OK this Life because I haven't had much in the way of any significant
challenges in the last year or two.
Who knows,
maybe there's still a couple of Lessons waiting in the wings for the right set of circumstances to line-up.

I serve other people, and other people serve me,
sometimes it's just not so obvious exactly which is occurring,
or if it's both at the same time,
and it may be quite distasteful or even deadly, or absolutely wonderful and a joy to behold.

Don't worship Money, you're guaranteed to be completely miserable,
but maybe that's the Lesson You need to learn, who knows.

You have "Free-Will".
This Planet, and the people on it, will provide You with anything that You "think" You want.
Be careful what You wish for, there are always consequences, both good and bad.

In past Lives,
You have been both the "Good-Guy", and the "Bad-Guy", and sometimes both at the same time.
The combination of all these previous actions is represented as your "Karma".
Karma is generally what the "Lessons" are all about.

Until You make up for your transgressions against other good people,
You will not completely forgive yourself.
If You can't forgive yourself, then You can't help, or forgive, others,
and helping others is the most valuable and rewarding thing that You can do.
This does not apply to approximately ~half of the population which do not possess a "Conscience",
these people are also known as "NPCs", or, "Non-Player-Characters" in a Video-Game.
These NPCs will probably start simply "disappearing" off of the face of the Earth,
along with the current changes that the Earth, and everyone on it, are slowly experiencing.
They may also be known as "Human-Portals" in some circles, as they can easily be "possessed".
These types of people think that you're talking gibberish when You try to
discuss something like having a "Guilty-Conscience".
They may also be known as "Narcissistic-Personalities",
although this last term gets thoroughly trashed and abused as a
general, or colloquial, slur term, by idiots who have no clue what the word actually means.

Freely forgiving others for their mistakes is the most valuable gesture You can make,
but those who are pointing fingers at others are usually not deserving of your efforts,
and will likely cause unwanted problems for You,
( but maybe that's something you actually need to learn from ).

The people who present You with unwanted problems may be doing You a valuable service.
You can learn something from ANYONE, even Animals.

Like Jordan Peterson says, ( paraphrasing ),
If You can't keep your own room straightened-up,
how do You think you're going to go out and "Save-the-World" ???

Is any of the above more important to any of You than
the BS speculation concerning "The Age of the Universe" ?
"The Age of the Universe" is pretty low on my list of priorities, about like the question "how high is UP",
but it might be a good conversation-starter, depending on the type and caliber of company present.

"Star-Wars" and "Star-Trek" are simply re-enacted, and heavily embellished, documentaries,
( just kidding, but not by very much ).
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The "Big-Bang-Theory" is a purposeful distraction.

It is a distraction from the numerous other, more "spiritually" oriented stories,
all of which have been bastardized to one degree or another, or buried in the basement of the Vatican
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Maybe I should have spoken anyway.

 

Maybe I should have spoken anyway.

I'm glad we are likely just a simulation in some alien kids gaming device. The previous universe ended in 2012, this new universe is getting weird.

 

If You repeat a Lie often enough, and make it grandiose enough, people will start to believe that it's true,
especially when You present it as the agreed upon consensus

These declarations have no value other than providing
an supposed "official" and "credible" explanation,
that requires no further research or effort on your part.
This is for the people that have been terribly confused, and misled,

Why did you make this political? You did describe it pretty good though.

 

I'm glad we are likely just a simulation in some alien kids gaming device. The previous universe ended in 2012, this new universe is getting weird.

The irony is that the physicists are all in on it and laugh at our confusion.

 

The Moon,
being a manufactured Satellite,
which does not rotate on an axis like every single other know Moon,
and which has an extremely tight orbit, which is so tight that it is mathematically impossible,
should give You some kind of a clue that something doesn't quite add-up here.

The Moon rotates on its axis every 27 days, how else would it keep the same face pointed toward the earth at all times?

 

Hi ES,
I think you need a little bedtime reading update regarding the Moon's orbit etc.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

This slightly greater orbital angular momentum causes the Earth–Moon distance to increase at approximately 38 millimetres per year.

 

Eric, are you splitting hairs based on the 8% difference on the visible area of the Moon when it orbits?

 

But surely there must be a reason why there is an ongoing search for the idea of a big bang or something else.
Perhaps it is part of the search for the entire meaning of our existence, or just to understand more about what the universe is all about. It may just be a part which once understood, may tie in with other studies that help to explain everything. If it can't tie in, then it may be discarded, but until then it may help.

In our everyday lives it probably won't matter, that's true. But in the grand scheme of things it may help humanity one day.

 

Why did you make this political? You did describe it pretty good though.

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The intention was not to "make" anything "political".
But, in reality, everything is political.
You may personally find politics to be distasteful and a complete waste of time, I don't know,
but I do know that if You try to ignore it, it will ultimately bite You in the rear-end.

The definition of the term "Politics" is "the Science and Art of Government" .
Now You need to define the word "Government", and this one can be very tough to find.
To "govern" means to control, "ment" refers to the "Mind",
so the word government literally means "Mind-Control",
so Politics is the Science and Art of Mind-Control.
And since this Thread-Category includes "Science" it should fit right in.
But, since the Science of Mind-Control is rather contentious at times,
sometimes people get upset about it,
and want to classify it as a separate, and unrelated subject, that, "I don't want to talk about".

Like most things, Politics can be used for Good or Evil.
It has been mostly used for Evil according to the crumbs of actual history that we are allowed access to.
Most "History" is written by "the winner" of the War.

Evil Mind-Control being used on people that I must routinely interact with is not something
that improves anyone's Life or disposition,
therefore, making my Life more dangerous and miserable on occasion,
because I must daily interact with these heavily stressed-out people.

I don't like it when my life is potentially dangerous and miserable,
so I do everything I can to understand and reverse the situation.
Nothing is more important to me.

The crazy stuff that You presently see going on in the World is actually
a sort of "reverse" Mind-Control.
This came about because the "Evil" aspect of "Politics" had gotten so incredibly out of control
that it became a very serious "Military-Intelligence" concern.

You are watching a totally fictitious "Movie",
almost nothing is as it appears to be.
The "Movie" is designed to get the "Brainwashed-Masses",
( and that includes EVERYONE, only the degree varies ),
to slowly wake-up to what has been going on
without totally loosing their minds and doing something stupid,
and to get everyone personally, and positively, involved in straightening-out this mess.

So I'm guilty,
Politics affects everything, whether You like it or not.
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