Are we tapping into zero-point energy?

You've been watching way too many episodes of Stargate. If you actually want to learn what "zero point energy" is, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

 

The composition of the electrodes is of primary importance as different materials will affect the capacitance by their permittivity.

As you mentioned earlier, you do need to catch up on your reading. Electrodes don't have permittivity, insulators have permittivity.

 

Hi beenthere Super moderator you are wrong when you talk about this.

It gets all flim-flammy again when he goes on to say in line 63 that, when current ceases, "the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same polarity". That is simply not the way fields behave around an inductor. If a polarity of voltage impressed across the inductor drove current to build a field, the collapse of that same filed will drive current in the opposite direction, reversing the polarity of voltage across the inductor.

I made this transformer and this double pulse exists it depends on the configuration of the coils, for an example if i change the sense of the current on the primary no double pulse occurs. Did you noticed that the patents is not complete? Stan never said that his tubes where magnetic (an example)... If you take a closer look to the drawings you will notice many other things. He never said about using other materials, try to check all the calculations he put in his book and try understand why they are there.

Stan wasn't a scam. He didn't release this technology because wasn't his intellectual propriety, and he knew that. This technology have been developed in early 60's in new york university by a south american inventor and is protected. I feel sick when i see people who believes to knows everything and talk in this way about stan only because thinks that have studied enough electronics physics or something. I never went to university and i can prove you thermodynamics law is not a gospel true. I'm sorry about my bad english i also learned by myself.

If i had right now 50.000 dollars i could construct a prototype to show all the world how long we have been fooled by the system.

 

Everyone is entitled to a opinion. But when I fail to find a coherent explanation or schematic, I see scam. Meyer's first patents are very different from later stuff that someone has attached his name to. His original circuitry has been replaced by some hobbyist-grade junk, along with conditions not found in the patents. That speaks to me of scam.

South American inventor? Got a name or patent number? Hard data gets more respect than unreferenced assertion. There are numberless people claiming to have special insider knowledge, but very little evidence of it turns up. We'd all love to see a working circuit, instead of a box under a hood.

On a sour note, your hand is out, too. There are also many sites looking for just one more donation to help them prove that the device works. Whoever does get it (whatever that may be) will become very wealthy - there is a $1,000,000 prize offered for the demonstration. Plus licensing the device will earn hundreds of millions per year.

So there is all this incentive to benefit the world and make yourself rich. Why does nothing come of it? Why are there no serious investors?

 

Anyway he didn't fail. He shows the schematics of a very common pll circuit and a resonant circuit the problem is only that the secret he left inside the tubes... have you ever seen the inside tube? the leakage in the cell would never let the voltage go up and beyond 40kv but the current of 0.001 A X resistance of the water is different than 40kv so the point is not only the high voltage but the hi current recirculating on the very low resistance cell The recirculating current becomes aways bigger. In resonance. Preferably MHz range because the current recirculates millions of times in one second. Where is the load in a resonance cirquit ? Why so much big diodes?

 

Meyer writes that his voltage step up was either three or five (he contradicts himself). At any rate the voltage he uses in the patent was no more than 120. No mention of frequency was made.

The stuff you speak of appear to be later additions. None appear to be from Meyer's work, and are inconsistent with his real work. My feeling is that they represent scammer's additions to Meyer's obviously non-working circuitry.

It's interesting that you speak of actual voltage and current, too. None of the circuit elements present in the later faked circuits are capable of such performance.

Secret left in the tubes? Were they left unpolished?

Despite the challenge of doing so in English, can you walk us through the process whereby water is electrolyzed more efficiently than with conventional apparatus?

And again the question - if this stuff works, why isn't it readily available? Nothing makes sense. The electronics can't do what is claimed, water can't act as it is claimed, and everybody just needs $50 more dollars (repeated endlessly) to get a device working. I actually like the Australian crazies better, because you don't have to make up silly circuits to use orgone energy.

 

Thank you for the private message, psyplants. It confirms my low opinion of scam artists.

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What he speak about is clear you don't understand because you don't want to do it. What's the problem even 30 volts with a high Q could do the job it depends on the impedance transformation and the cell size. A question for you what circuits you are talking about i mean, you say there is no frequency mention... ? i don't remember any paper with no mention to the frequency.

not unpolished coated

This stuff works i'm trying to find the money to make all the pieces and put it together. Is easy. The prototype is very expensive because you need to dissociate liters of water and it is not small enough yet as we would like to..., the technology takes a litle time to advance with investment.
And i'm trying to find this money since one month ago because thats the way to get there i don't have more i invested already everything i had on osciloscope LRC multimeters capacitance meters high voltage probe... components components components books and time for studying.

 

What he speak about is clear you don't understand because you don't want to do it. What's the problem even 30 volts with a high Q could do the job it depends on the impedance transformation and the cell size. A question for you what circuits you are talking about i mean, you say there is no frequency mention... ? i don't remember any paper with no mention to the frequency.

not unpolished coated

This stuff works i'm trying to find the money to make all the pieces and put it together. Is easy. The prototype is very expensive because you need to dissociate liters of water and it is not small enough yet as we would like to..., the technology takes a litle time to advance with investment.
And i'm trying to find this money since one month ago because thats the way to get there i don't have more i invested already everything i had on osciloscope LRC multimeters capacitance meters high voltage probe... components components components books and time for studying.

Try writing a letter to President Obama, seems to be on one hell of a spending spree (nearly a trillion dollars in his first month in office). Seems like if this is proven technology, should be no problem getting some cash. Could be just the right thing to get us out of the middle east, bail out the automotive industry, and think of all the new jobs it would create. Millions of vehicles on the road, for which only the foolish wouldn't want to convert to run on free water fuel...

 

I never went to university and i can prove you thermodynamics law is not a gospel true.

Cool! Please show us.

 

Should only cost, say, $25,000 for that one.

 

There is a newton experiment with magnets and balls arranged in a line which the first ball he only gives a little touch and it gets every time more speed and gets more and more speed and the last ball cross a piece of wood 1 inch thick. Here i ask you, for physics magnetic force is a constant force and you can't extract energy direct from it. So where is the conservation energy here in this case? You are actually transforming magnetic force in kinetic energy. There is another example if two laser (electromagnetic energy) of same wavelength are pointed in the same point synchronized but with 180° phase difference. there is no light no heat no form of energy manifestation so where all the energy went? where is the conservation? Why so many people talk about cold fusion if the thermodynamics laws was a unquestionable true? The nuclear reaction generates more energy than the energy they use to initiate the reaction no? where is the conservation? The magnetic energy can help to open barriers for extracting energy direct from the atom like stan said? our universe continues to expand? Obviously there are many many other ways other than this, think about tesla he tried to show one way... with his wireless energy transfer. We are on the same boat. They are Fooling us since ever, and just for the money, they earn maintaining the system like this. Most people are slaves and the rest will die starving. For who?

i thought about talking with Obama but for me is impossible i could never reach him and first that i arrive to say hello or this to him i could make the same end of stan. I believe the only way is to find the money for doing this as quickly as i can. And than do it. With a prototype in hands the world could have a chance. You know what ? i took 3 years to discover all this. Stan took the all life, and the people will never believe you, will never help you, and anyways, will always want a better world, and a water car, people are selfish. I started to study about this because i realized that in 50 years the life on earth wont exist anymore. And i believe that this is a very big problem, not only for the other people that don't care about me, themselves or the rest of the humanity, more because of my children's future and all this beautiful world that are going to die because of this capitalism system. Its a hard fight. I'm a fighter and if all you guys wants to help this cause you can i already said this, i need 25.000 dollars for the prototype and i need it as fast as i can. I already know where i can construct it, i already know how to, which material, everything. You cant do this in the yard. But i don't want to work for 5 years and waste this time to earn this money and do it by myself, (only to be proud of myself? ) no, i prefer give to who invest, a part of the gain. so things are faster. i need money and is not so much for this part of my business plan. Since last month i'm trying to find this money and no one wants to put away not even 10 euros. thats why i'm trying to explain this to you few guys reading this posts unless you, are little interested or understand about this subject.

 

if you buy one gram of nm pure zirconia it will costs 400 dolars if you buy a tonn it will cost 25 to 50 times less. do you understand?

 

This is great. Let's see - zirconium is handy for things like cladding on nuclear fuel pellets. Perhaps Daniel Ortega, having got his presidency for life, is now looking for some Yanqui investor to front the money for enough zirconium to encapsulate the pellets for his new reactor?

The saying comes to mind - never buy a pig in a poke. That is enough zirconium to plate way more than enough tubes for a proof-of-principle demonstration. All it takes if one measly cell to establish that it works. It seems odd that nothing has come into public view as yet.

Really - if there is some demonstrable effect, why are no serious investors involved? For industrial processes, the amount of money for a start-up is trivial.

 

the zirconiun was an example to make you undestad why a prototipe cost 25.000. I don't know any investor and my friends and family are not rich. I'm from the 80's and i don't have enough money, this search for investment is very recent, because i meet this about one month ago and now i got the technology and got my hands blocked. No Money no Fun. How old are you?

thank you for understant. beenthere

 

Hate it when people drag Tesla into the 'free' energy crap. The free electricity, was that the consumer could draw power anywhere, without getting billed for it. His idea was to use the planet and upper atmosphere as a storage capacitor. We would still need to put power into it, to replace what was used. The benefit, was that nothing was lost in transmission, and could be used anywhere on the planet. Think electric car with no battery or HOH cell... Just no profit in it.

 

There is a newton experiment with magnets and balls

Never heard of it. You have a reference to share with us, of course.

There is another example if two laser (electromagnetic energy) of same wavelength are pointed in the same point synchronized but with 180° phase difference.

Never heard of it. You have a reference to share with us, of course.

Why so many people talk about cold fusion if the thermodynamics laws was a unquestionable true?

They talk about it for the same reason shills and rubes talk up any other con. They want desparately for something to be true and magical and wonderful. They want it so bad they throw their common sense out the window. OR they want easy money from such people.

The nuclear reaction generates more energy than the energy they use to initiate the reaction no? where is the conservation?

Read a book. This reaction obeys the Laws of Thermodynamics. Heck, I could use a lever to start a boulder rolling downhill and you would call it defeat of the Laws of Thermodynamics.

The magnetic energy can help to open barriers for extracting energy direct from the atom like stan said?

Nope. No such thing has ever been demonstrated.

our universe continues to expand?

Depends on which astronomer you ask. Still does not violate the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Obviously there are many many other ways other than this

Other misunderstandings? Other scams? Yes. There are far and away too many of them. That is why Beenthere began this thread in the first place!!

think about tesla he tried to show one way... with his wireless energy transfer

Wrong again, my good fellow. Tesla's results slavishly obeyed the Laws of Thermodynamics.

We are on the same boat.

Nope. You are on your own.

They are Fooling us since ever, and just for the money, they earn maintaining the system like this. Most people are slaves and the rest will die starving. For who?

Nope. You just want to believe in something that does not exist. Or you want to scam money off the innocent.

i believe the only way is to find the money for doing this as quickly as i can. And than do it.

Belief is nice. What you need is evidence, and you have none.

The rest of your post is a series of argumentum ad phobium and argumentum ad misericordiam. I do not choose to respond to such fallacy beyond naming it as such.

If you really and truly want to help the world, LEARN. Stop chasing stupid pipe dreams and con-man's snake-oil! By participating in the obfuscation, you become a part of the problem you claim you wish to solve. Far better if you study what is real and make contributions which are likewise real.

May you find wisdom.

 

The nuclear reaction generates more energy than the energy they use to initiate the reaction no? where is the conservation?

The increase in energy is accounted for by the decrease in mass, all according to Einstein's famous equation,
\(E = mc^2\).
Maybe you've heard of it.

...and all this beautiful world that are going to die because of this capitalism system. Its a hard fight. I'm a fighter and if all you guys wants to help this cause you can i already said this, i need 25.000 dollars for the prototype and i need it as fast as i can.

Yep, the evil capitalist system. But you want us to invest, uh, capital in your venture?

 

Oh, my age - old enough to know better.

 

thingmaker 3 i'm going to find some material about the experiments i said.

2° the people working on cold fusion have studied lots of time not only physics or chemistry, electronics, they have studied all them. try to search about resonance in chemistry. when you study many different subjects you are more open minded to use the best part of each to get the result you want.

Tesla created the first way for the free energy using not only the energy generated to transmit. he transmit only a radio signal and you at home have a radiant receiver that i can say to you how it works it works like stanley more modern electron extraction circuit but he used an antenna for starting and maintain the oscillation. The energy was generated on the receiver, not brooking any law of thermodynamics thats true but the economics yes because they could not sell it anymore.

I mean with the nuclear reaction that... there is a lot of energy inside the atoms we just need to learn better ways to extract it from there safely and with no radiation.

i know mark if you decrease mass you get more Energy. Stan talked also about this if you takes off 4 electrons of each oxygen atom do you know by what factor you decrease its mass? and what if you can really shake the atoms with the high voltage and magnetics, lasers... and obtain a very bigger reaction out of the combustion even if is just in thermal energy, you could not use the water droplets coming out from the motor and use it for expand it into vapor again controlling the temperature, transforming hot in kinetics and more pressure efficiency ? how many electrons are 1 amp/h? how many oxygen atoms you have in one liter of water? just food for thought...

Try to think about once we had 30% of oxygen on the air now we got 15
if you don't have a job you don't eat
if you need to buy anything it have the oil price comprising on the total price
they know about this technology and other and didn't let you have it just to make money
in the capitalism world, who suffer with crises are the slaves the big ones not
In a closed circuit if one have billions the many others are never going to have the possibility to have much so
if everyone earns good money no one works. they maintain it like this because this way they earn big money
i now there in united states you also got problems with the health assurance they leave the public hospitals bad for you pay the assurance
they extract the oil and natural gas under the (earth (in my point of view belongs to 7 billion people) which took millions of years for hiding there all this toxic waste to makes life in earth possible with the evolution, and they sell it to us
how much do you feel fooled now?

thank you guys and sorry about my english