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MrChips

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Also, if you were charging a 7.5F 5.5V cap at 3.5V and ~150 mA, how long would it take to charge it to 3.5V?

I think that unless the diodes are really bad, a FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER would be best for the quickest charging. And the rectifying diodes I have are not too terrible. I am probably going to go with one.
We begin with a first order calculation.

Charge Q = Capacitance C x Voltage V
Also Charge Q = Current I x Time t

Putting the two together

I x t = C x V
t = C x V / I = 7.5F x 3.5V / 0.15A = 175 seconds, i.e. about 3 minutes.

In reality, the charging current is not constant and diminishes as the capacitor charges. Hence the capacitor voltage follows an inverse exponential curve. Charging for three RC time constants would take about 10 minutes to charge.
 

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-live wire-

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We begin with a first order calculation.

Charge Q = Capacitance C x Voltage V
Also Charge Q = Current I x Time t

Putting the two together

I x t = C x V
t = C x V / I = 7.5F x 3.5V / 0.15A = 175 seconds, i.e. about 3 minutes.

In reality, the charging current is not constant and diminishes as the capacitor charges. Hence the capacitor voltage follows an inverse exponential curve. Charging for three RC time constants would take about 10 minutes to charge.
Thanks for the useful equations. So what would you say the best way to estimate the current going through the capacitor? Is there some constant or something that I could use to more accurately calculate the time? I have the data sheet for the capacitor, so would that help?

Also, how do I, given the capacitance and voltage it's charged to, determine how quickly it discharges? I heard that the voltage drops in a linear fashion over time, unlike a battery. Is that true not only hypothetically with ideal components, but in reality?
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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The best way to determine the current is to measure it under different conditions.

The discharge rate is a bit simpler.
If you assume that the discharge current is constant, then the time to discharge to half the initial voltage is

t = C x V / 2I

Another formula is to use the exponential decay curve.
If the discharge resistance R is constant, then the time constant = R x C is the time it would take to discharge to 37% of the initial voltage.
 

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-live wire-

Joined Dec 22, 2017
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The best way to determine the current is to measure it under different conditions.

The discharge rate is a bit simpler.
If you assume that the discharge current is constant, then the time to discharge to half the initial voltage is

t = C x V / 2I

Another formula is to use the exponential decay curve.
If the discharge resistance R is constant, then the time constant = R x C is the time it would take to discharge to 37% of the initial voltage.
Is it t=C*V/(2I) or t=C*V*I/2?

Also, maybe I should start another thread for discussing the supercapaciators.
 
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