Repair pcb from a ventilator

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christiannielsen

Joined Jun 30, 2019
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This board comes from a ventilator motor in a ventilation system.

The motor is not shown, only the PCB in the motor housing. The ventilator is controlled by the main ventilator system board with a PWM signal.

And that is about all I know. I never worked with SMD component and haven't done a lot of repairs by measuring.

So I have just started out looking for burned out components in which came out negative.

I have now started testing what I know as a diode. its the component marked with a red circle (IMG_4188).
IMG_4188.jpegIt measures 0.373 v one way and 0.379 the other way. If it is a diode shouldn't it measure zero one way? Or is it even a diode?

I posted a photo of each side of the PCB.
 

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Pyrex

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hi,
first of all, are you sure the PWM signal is OK ?

As about the PCB, check the white fuse 3.15A, the big red resistor ( 68 Ohm?), and three resistors 33R0, all close to the big brown electrolytic capacitor. These three resistors do not look good
 

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christiannielsen

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Thank you for your time.
Fuse is OK
big red resistor is OK
the 3 33R0 is okay. They do look dark but it is because theres som kind of stamp on the board and resistors.

I am sure the PWM is good because a new ventilator works fine.

So the diode I mentioned is nothing?

the big brown capacitor, I measured to 44 uF. Is that good?
 

Pyrex

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I'm not sure about the diode checked in circuit. Let's say, 90% it's OK. These small diodes rarely fail.
44 uF is OK for the 47uF capacitor.

I remember i tried to repair a similar ventilator/fan , it was an expensive Ebm Papst (?) ventilator. The big chip with thick pins was faulty, or the small chip tied to it, i do not remember which one. The big one is a frequency converter output stage.

There's 3 wires from the motor winding, check the resistance of the winding
 

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christiannielsen

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I have the rest of the ventilator at my work place so i will check the winding tuesday. I can also take a photo of the motor.
Is there a way to check the chips?
 

Pyrex

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Check the aluminum capacitor in SMD style. These in SMD are not very reliable.

It's not easy to check the big chips. Take the datasheet , energize the PCB and check the voltages on the pins.
That's probably the most you can do
 

Pyrex

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Sounds like winding is OK.
Check the SMD capacitors around the big chip with thick pins for short.
If no result, power up the PCB. Use a DVM in DC volt mode , check the voltage across pins of the big brown capacitor. Should read 300-350VDC. Be carefull with high voltage
 

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christiannielsen

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SMD capacitors around the big chip don't seem shortened.

But the highlighted component (not sure what it is) in the picture is. Should it be?
IMG_4189.jpeg
 

Pyrex

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Datasheet, Figure 8. Example of Application Circuit .

Your circuit may differ slightly from #8, but will be similar. So, Ground is Brown capacitor Negative pole. Measure voltage on the pin #17, should read about 320VDC. Measure voltages on the pins #2,7,12 , should read about 14VDC.
In normal state, when fan is running, the chip is driven by pulses on inputs #4,5 , #9,10 ,#14,15.

When running, the Hall sensor sends several pulses on every turn.
Be careful when measuring so that the probe does not slip and do not short the pins
 

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christiannielsen

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I have replaced the big chip. While checking for shorts I found continuity between pin 20 and 21. Ive looked under microscope and I do not see anything short at all.

Is there suppose to be continuity between them? I measured the old chip and that one hasn't.
 

Pyrex

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Pins 20 and 21. Power mosfet transistor is tied to the pins. Continuity does not indicate , that it is really a malfunction.
Basically, you have undertaken complex repairs . The fan is made according to a complex scheme , with microprocessor control .
 

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christiannielsen

Joined Jun 30, 2019
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thanks I'll reassemble the ventilator and put it in a ventilation system next time I one that mailfunction.
Thanks for all your help. I appreciate it.
 
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