Need some help finding phase shift and magnitude on a RL circuit

Need someone that help me finding phase shift and magnitude of an RL circuit

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Jhon Molano

Joined Nov 8, 2017
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Hello everyone,

I am a newby at electronics and i am doing a homework, i am stuck and can not find the answer for the following problem:

"Refer to the RL circuit of Figure 9.36. If 1 V is applied, find the magnitude and the phase shift produced at 5 kHz. Specify whether the displacement from phase go foward or backward"

In the attached doc file is what i have made until now viewing videos and some books, please, i really need some help with this i am out of choices.

Regards, Jhon.
 

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Øivind Bakke

Joined Aug 22, 2017
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Hi Jhon,

your analysis seems really good, but you have a small mistake in the beginning that causes the error. (at least what I can see at first glance) Take a look at your Z_in and try to solve it again. Also, when it comes to phase shift magnitude I learned a rule a few years ago, that still sticks with me. Key words: ICE and ELI. Current I leads voltage E in a capacitor & voltage E leads current I in an inductor.

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The Electrician

Joined Oct 9, 2007
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Why have you calculated Zin? The problem appears to be asking for Vo/Vi

I get the same result for Zin, although you should probably carry a couple more digits in your calculations.
 

Øivind Bakke

Joined Aug 22, 2017
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The way he goes about this is correct and probably the way they were told to do it by the prof. (I had to do the same). I don't want to give the answer right away in order for him learn from it, but if you take another look at Z_in, you'll see a tiny mistake that messes up the calculations further.
 

The Electrician

Joined Oct 9, 2007
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The way he goes about this is correct and probably the way they were told to do it by the prof. (I had to do the same). I don't want to give the answer right away in order for him learn from it, but if you take another look at Z_in, you'll see a tiny mistake that messes up the calculations further.
I see no mistake. His final result is 8.35 + j3.31 which is the same result I get except I carried more digits; I got 8.3514 + j3.3142

How will he use Zin to find Vo/Vi? Wouldn't it be more straightforward to treat the problem as a cascaded pair of voltage dividers?
 

Øivind Bakke

Joined Aug 22, 2017
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Alright, I realize I've formulated myself poorly. Here is how I would've done it:
Add Z1,Z2 and R1 to one total impedance and do voltage divider with Vo=voltage across R2.
 
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Jhon Molano

Joined Nov 8, 2017
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Thank you all for the comments...

you will see. I do not know what else i need to do from this point, some people told me that i need to find Vo/Vi in order to find the phase shift and the magnitude, and that seems the way also on the steps on the book i am reading. but i don't know how to do it. i was following the problem that appears on the book (i attached the page of it), but if i do the same procedure of the example 9.14 on the practice exercise 9.14 which is almost equals that the one i am working (the H value of L1 and L2 change) i can not get the same result that the book said. so in some point i am missing something and i do not know what to do. in theory, the phase shift that i got for my exercise is 0.256333882/69.26687064deg

I also send the excel in which I am working with.

Thanks in advance,
 

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The Electrician

Joined Oct 9, 2007
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Thank you all for the comments...

you will see. I do not know what else i need to do from this point, some people told me that i need to find Vo/Vi in order to find the phase shift and the magnitude, and that seems the way also on the steps on the book i am reading. but i don't know how to do it. i was following the problem that appears on the book (i attached the page of it), but if i do the same procedure of the example 9.14 on the practice exercise 9.14 which is almost equals that the one i am working (the H value of L1 and L2 change) i can not get the same result that the book said. so in some point i am missing something and i do not know what to do. in theory, the phase shift that i got for my exercise is 0.256333882/69.26687064deg

I also send the excel in which I am working with.

Thanks in advance,
The Excel file you have attached doesn't seem to be working out the Practice Problem 9.14, because the inductor values I see in the Excel are .1 mH and .2 mH, not 1 mH and 2 mH as they should be in problem.

Also, I can't follow what you are doing. It would be better if you create a .doc file showing each step in the work.
 
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