Beenthere, I appreciate constructive criticisum but yiour claims are just as unfounded. Honestly, there's no way for you to claim it doesn't work unless you build one and try it. I think the reason why we differ so much on this point is because I am willing to accept the possibility that these documents have been deliberately tampered with prior to their release to the mainstream. We're talking about the U.S. Government here...

One shot multivrabtors have been an item of research... can anybody at least tell what kind of wave this would output?

I'm sure there was a parts list, but if we had that, I would never have come to this forum. I think it was deliberatly excluded from the electronic version of this patent. It's the key link.... and yES there's a lot of bs out there, how is that different from any day.

 

One shots don't output a wave, only (singular) one pulse. It is another word for Monostable Multivibrator.

Basic digital electronics, 1st course, 1st week.

You could read the AAC eBook of course.

 

I believe it is more correct to assert that you get to do the wading. Do be careful; if "they" have altered the original documents, think what "they" might do to you if you do further research in his ideas.

 

I think about that every day I don't need you to remind me thank you. In certain circles these stories are well known and rampant. Check out the guy who made the Joe Cell. He was pushed off the road by a black suv, 4 armed men approached him with a file that had his entire family's life story down to the minute. They said if he didn't stop, they died. Supposedly.....

About the monostable multivbrator. Would an astable monovibrator be able to adjust pulse width as well as frequency?

 

Farlander,

It is best to pick up a microcontroller of some sort. Any modern microcontroller can easily accomplish what you are trying to do with precision.

My personal fav. is the PSoC microcontroller, 29xxx series. For the more powerful jobs, I use ST's M3 cortex family.

Steve

 

Well, the conspiracy stuff helps keep the lack of credible test results from making some people suspicious. The joe cell "runs" on orgone energy. You sure they weren't just giggling? That is really absurd.

Ok, this isn't going to make any progress. As stated before, I detect signs that Meyer's obviously non-functioning designs have been fudged with since it became clear that his schematics were worthless. The stuff that has replaced the originals is hobbyist-grade junk from the 1970's. It's simply a hoax.

But don't take my word for it - try everybody else. There can't be more than 2 - 300 years of electronic experience among the contributors here. Why should I know anything or be the only one able to evaluate a design?

 

The Air force in the 1960's used 1 plate of SS 304 and 1 plate of titanium, platinum plated in their electrolysis experiments and found that it produced satisfactory results. They had built a 10 LB battery powered device that produced enough gas from water to run a small generator in the field. Pictures and diagrams were available on Google where I found the article.

 

If you people Really think this is a fake thats ok Just keep watching TV. You people will see someone else buying it I don't care MONEY IS MONEY. When people are so full of them selves they can't see the end of their ........

Good by for now
Mike

 

I suspect you are referring to yourself with that last comment. Science is the ultimate open source, many eyes make short work of bugs. We like science, and talk is cheap.

 

Honestly, there's no way for you to claim it doesn't work unless you build one and try it.

Argumentum ad ignorantium

I think about that every day I don't need you to remind me thank you. In certain circles these stories are well known and rampant.

Argumentum ad populum

Check out the guy who made the Joe Cell. He was pushed off the road by a black suv, 4 armed men approached him with a file that had his entire family's life story down to the minute. They said if he didn't stop, they died. Supposedly.....

Argumentum ad phobium

Farlander, to understand why no one here supports you, please read the following: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/index.html

 

Wow it's so incredible. Right before my eyes I see the answer staring at me.

What happens at resonance is quite interesting. With capacitive and inductive reactances equal to each other, the total impedance increases to infinity, meaning that the tank circuit draws no current from the AC power source!

This just proves my point. The Meyers concept is based on high voltage, with minimal amp flow. The resonating circuit delivers the source voltage to the capacitor, but draws no current. Imagine having a 20kv potential on submerged electrodes 1mm apart! Wouldn't this dissolve the water molecule by overcoming the covalent bonds?

In addition it would be useful to tune the circuit so that the acoustic underwater resonance frequency matches the electrical resonance frequency (most use dual 555 circuits to superimpose two different frequencies) This process is known in some circles as cavitation. Essentially the temporary magnetizing action of the nickel found in stainless steel turns the entire plate assembly into a large transducer, converting electrical pulses to kinetic motion. The vibration of the plates causes bending of the molecular bond, and once the resonant 'bending' frequency is found, the water molecule can be dissociated with even less voltage potential.

 

I am afraid this thread, too has run its course. Trying to teach one who will not listen or do some self-education is simply time wasted.

Substitute quartz plates for the SS and maybe you get cavitation, but what has that got to do with chemistry? How do you go from capacitor to electromechanical transducer? How do you push energy into the transducer by minimizing power transfer?

Big hint: Setting up and conducting experiments to prove that any of these ideas work is reasonably straightforward. As I have pointed out, we cannot prove the negative case. On the other hand, you or any other person can prove that something works and under what conditions.

Remember that the application of a DC voltage across an electrolytic cell is the measuring stick. You are attempting to find some process that will cause gas to evolve from the cell at a rate significantly greater than that produced by the DC.

Please come back when you have some results to support any or all of your hypotheses.