In your well meaning attempt to make us all a little safer, you would sell our souls the devil.

According to our government, EVERYONE could be a "threat", therefore, spy on EVERYONE. That includes you, tcm.
The fact that you are an able bodied American with the courage of your convictions means your convictions COULD change. Therefore, you are a "threat". Please report to get your geo-tag inserted under your skin like a good little sheep.

Actually I would just give it, under limited control, to those who have shown they have the capacity to act objectively and responsibly for the greater good of us all for a limited time as is needed.

US constitution something something blah blah blah.

As for the devil. Seems so many are all uptight about what he might be doing, but can't prove, yet don't seem to have much concern over what god can do, but isn't, that can be proven. Methinks we are and probably always have been on our own here the whole time and it all just comes down to whom we want to collectively blame for what we ourselves don't like or screw up.

 

Just checked my back pocket for a phone. None there.

Correction. Update. Just remembered. I don't have a phone.

 

limited control, to those who have shown they have the capacity to act objectively and responsibly for the greater good of us all for a limited time as is needed.

Our government has no limits on its greed for power and control or how long it will be before it spontaneously and graciously gives the power and control to any place, thing, or person except itself, so who are you going to give your consent to?

 

And, in the news today, The Supreme court is going to consider the rights of individuals to hire a cell phone company to connect their phone calls. The question being, is hiring a corporation the same thing as displaying your dialed numbers in public? If hiring a corporation is the same thing as publishing your telephone call numbers and times, you have no Constitutional protection from the government. If secretly downloading call activities with secret cell tower spoofers is what you hired your cell service to do, you have no rights against government searches.

https://reason.com/blog/2017/06/05/scotus-agrees-to-hear-significant-4th-am

 

And England is having the same conversation:
"In December, the European court of justice ruled that “general and indiscriminate retention” of emails and electronic communications by governments is illegal."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...urveillance-investigatory-powers-gchq-m15-mi6

 

Our government has no limits on its greed for power and control or how long it will be before it spontaneously and graciously gives the power and control to any place, thing, or person except itself, so who are you going to give your consent to?

Actually the government has limits on it's greed and for power being if it did not we would not have the world we live in right now thanks to people like you and me who don't trust the government to do the right thing every time obviously that do understand and work tirelessly to prevent them from growing in the wrong way for the wrong reasons.

You're way older than me and in your lifetime the government has been challenged and redirected many time to keep it under control. Or have you forgotten your history and its significance already?

 

And, in the news today, The Supreme court is going to consider the rights of individuals to hire a cell phone company to connect their phone calls. The question being, is hiring a corporation the same thing as displaying your dialed numbers in public? If hiring a corporation is the same thing as publishing your telephone call numbers and times, you have no Constitutional protection from the government. If secretly downloading call activities with secret cell tower spoofers is what you hired your cell service to do, you have no rights against government searches.

https://reason.com/blog/2017/06/05/scotus-agrees-to-hear-significant-4th-am

You have the right to not own and use a cell phone. I exercise that right every day.

Same with your computer or whatever you fear. You Have that right to simply not use them and find an alternative.

Or if you do use them you have the right to make yourself so insanely boring that any information they can get of you has no statistical value whatsoever.
That's my approach. Monitor me all you want. You won't find a damn thing I do worth the time wasted to collect the information.

 

Actually the government has limits on it's greed and for power

Those limits are not inherent in the way our government works. Without external limits championed by people like me, there would be no limits in a very short time.

You have the right to not own and use a cell phone.

I also have the right to not drive a car and be photographed several times per day, to wear a mask whenever I am in public, to burn my fingerprints off, to wear contact lenses to conceal my iris and retina, to speak through a Darth Vader mask to conceal my voice, to defeat all microphones and cameras in my home and car, and to deal only in cash. The point is, We the People should not have to do these things in order to go about our mundane existence unmolested or expect our tax dollars to repair the streets and sewers instead of building petabyte sized monuments to the hubris of our government.

 

Spy on all the real targets you want to. Spying on the innocent hundreds of millions is what I call lots of things, from wasteful to unconstitutional.

 

Here's an interesting twist. Los Angeles police are refusing to reveal the license plates they automatically read because all of the millions of license plates are “records of law enforcement investigations.” Millions of us are being investigated, based on, "no crime happened or was even suspected". Meanwhile, we are not being investigated by mass surveillance. How's that for having your cake and eating it, too? Talking out both sides of your mouth? Lying when the truth would work better? Being a government of We the People except for all the citizens of the country?

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/...preme-court-allow-public-access-license-plate

 

Those limits are not inherent in the way our government works. Without external limits championed by people like me, there would be no limits in a very short time.

I also have the right to not drive a car and be photographed several times per day, to wear a mask whenever I am in public, to burn my fingerprints off, to wear contact lenses to conceal my iris and retina, to speak through a Darth Vader mask to conceal my voice, to defeat all microphones and cameras in my home and car, and to deal only in cash. The point is, We the People should not have to do these things in order to go about our mundane existence unmolested or expect our tax dollars to repair the streets and sewers instead of building petabyte sized monuments to the hubris of our government.

Unlike you, apparently, I tend to not waste my time worrying about perceived things I can not control that do not actually negatively affect my life.

When something becomes a considerable problem I will deal with it but until then it's just a what-if and what-if's are not worth wasting my time on. I've seen what sort of life long misery they create for others and I don't care to life under the self imposed shackles of my own imagination gone wrong.

 

Here's an interesting twist. Los Angeles police are refusing to reveal the license plates they automatically read because all of the millions of license plates are “records of law enforcement investigations.” Millions of us are being investigated, based on, "no crime happened or was even suspected". Meanwhile, we are not being investigated by mass surveillance. How's that for having your cake and eating it, too? Talking out both sides of your mouth? Lying when the truth would work better? Being a government of We the People except for all the citizens of the country?

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/...preme-court-allow-public-access-license-plate

The LAPD is one of the few law enforcement agencies we see eye to eye on. Crooks with badges.

 

I tend to not waste my time worrying about perceived things I can not control that do not actually negatively affect my life.

"In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
—Martin Niemöller (1945) [he served seven years in a concentration camp]

 

"In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me–and by that time there was nobody left to speak up."
—Martin Niemöller (1945) [he served seven years in a concentration camp]

Sort of shows it pays to keep oneself up to date on who they are looking for and to make sure you either don't fit their lists or are nowhere to be found when they com looking doesn't it.

 

You have the right to ignore history and nsaspook has the right to despise only one corrupt police department.
I have made good progress informing this small population that some presently unfolding activities need guidance.
The wealthiest 1% are not trying to enable the other 99%. They are trying to become the wealthiest 0.1%
The powerful are not protecting the weak. They are abusing their power with impunity.
Universal Surveillance and the constant erosion of The Constitution indicate that the course we are on is totalitarian.
If this continues to its natural end point, there will be nothing left for the 99% except the struggle for survival, if the 1% allow it.

 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benjaminfr136955.html

 

Our government has no limits on its greed for power and control or how long it will be before it spontaneously and graciously gives the power and control to any place, thing, or person except itself, so who are you going to give your consent to?

Hence the 2nd Amendment.