An audio narrated session with Ai making a PCB.
The process can be step by step. You can ask for png or image of a footprint and see if that is what you want.
In an efficient rapid gerber and fast turn around it can be a dialog. The Ai assistant does not know what a thing a ma jig is.
The search engine Ai are under re-deployment getting images such as schematics is in infancy 10/18/2025 but is learns quickly if you paste an image.
As you paste more images it gets smarter about what you want, at this time. In this way the participation enables it to grow.

An audio session narrated on how to push Ai using verbal enabled EDA to produce a pcb.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/149BypDZZx85dOKFoLw_EozyVVjUSdBHy/view?usp=drive_link

I asked who is making the open source version.

 

My experiences with trying to use AI for anything electronics have been very pathetic.

Is anyone having success going this route?

Since the LLMs are trained from text, they do not seem to have any decent ability to comprehend schematics.

 

"Speak your circuit ritual"

Who comes up with this BS?

 

@Sensacell The development will get much better,,,patience.
LLM are text based, that was part of an earlier discussion, how (images) schematics can be organised and recalled.
There are different approaches. An example: SQL call from KiCad to find a schematic image that is relevant to what you see on schematic capture. Kicad is Open source and what is available. the desription and the image sorted and called by an sql routine.

SELECT file_path, description
FROM kicad_screenshots
WHERE project_name = 'led_circuit'
ORDER BY created_at DESC;

@nsaspook
A "ritual" is an action within a set of procedures used by a group.
Electrical engineers (EEs) usually do not call them “rituals,” but their work is full of repeatable, symbolic practices that carry both technical and cultural meaning.

1. Morning Colors: He stands with his shipmates as the flag is raised—Navy ritual.
2. Lab Calibration: Before working on radar electronics, he checks his oscilloscope probes—EE ritual.
3. Tea Offering: At the end of his shift, he quietly brews green tea in his quarters, remembering his grandfather
4. ---A family ritual. .....Over time, he might even merge them:

• Before a critical repair, he bows slightly to his tools ( respect for the craft),
• Runs the smoke test (EE ritual),
• And logs the result with the same precision as a Navy watch report (Navy ritual).

Who thinks up all that stuff, why might it be necessary as a survival skill.
The Power of Using Rituals in Company Culture
repetition and resets can reinforce goals. I asked this question and added some humor in the question:
In a green eggs expression put into rhyme how rituals might reduce anxiety and stress? output:

I am an EE, yes I am,
I fix the circuits on the RAM.

I check the scope, I test the wire,
I keep the radar from the fire.

I serve with duty both night and day,
I log it in my notes the Navy way.

I bow to tools, with care I start,
A ritual born of craft and heart.

I am an EE, yes I am—
From storm to song, I tune the band.

fixed share properties, the link of a verbal KiCad session to learn faster. The future turnkey are done step by step.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/149BypDZZx85dOKFoLw_EozyVVjUSdBHy/view?usp=drive_link

 

"Speak your circuit ritual"

Who comes up with this BS?

using word like workflow would be a much better fit. soo... perhaps someone that does more rituals than actual work.

i see often similar things (like "mosfet tubes") etc.

 

@Sensacell The development will get much better,,,patience.
LLM are text based, that was part of an earlier discussion, how (images) schematics can be organised and recalled.
There are different approaches. An example: SQL call from KiCad to find a schematic image that is relevant to what you see on schematic capture. Kicad is Open source and what is available. the desription and the image sorted and called by an sql routine.

SELECT file_path, description
FROM kicad_screenshots
WHERE project_name = 'led_circuit'
ORDER BY created_at DESC;

@nsaspook
A "ritual" is an action within a set of procedures used by a group.
Electrical engineers (EEs) usually do not call them “rituals,” but their work is full of repeatable, symbolic practices that carry both technical and cultural meaning.

1. Morning Colors: He stands with his shipmates as the flag is raised—Navy ritual.
2. Lab Calibration: Before working on radar electronics, he checks his oscilloscope probes—EE ritual.
3. Tea Offering: At the end of his shift, he quietly brews green tea in his quarters, remembering his grandfather
4. ---A family ritual. .....Over time, he might even merge them:

• Before a critical repair, he bows slightly to his tools ( respect for the craft),
• Runs the smoke test (EE ritual),
• And logs the result with the same precision as a Navy watch report (Navy ritual).

Who thinks up all that stuff, why might it be necessary as a survival skill.
The Power of Using Rituals in Company Culture
repetition and resets can reinforce goals. I asked this question and added some humor in the question:
In a green eggs expression put into rhyme how rituals might reduce anxiety and stress? output:

I am an EE, yes I am,
I fix the circuits on the RAM.

I check the scope, I test the wire,
I keep the radar from the fire.

I serve with duty both night and day,
I log it in my notes the Navy way.

I bow to tools, with care I start,
A ritual born of craft and heart.

I am an EE, yes I am—
From storm to song, I tune the band.

fixed share properties, the link of a verbal KiCad session to learn faster. The future turnkey are done step by step.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/149BypDZZx85dOKFoLw_EozyVVjUSdBHy/view?usp=drive_link

Nobody verbalizes circuit design by training. If it was effective IMO were would have been using it decades before. The spoken/written human language is a horrible way to express in detail, complex and complicated ideas in engineering. Show me the schematic is the major "ritual" here and elsewhere.
The only verbalization is a maybe a few cuss words when you do something stupid.

 

schematic is the major "ritual"

Absolutely, I use a pencil and paper on one layer which is my desk piled folders other documents, other papers.
I use a simulator on another, the computer and I am happier when I do some work on the bench.
On the not so easy projects I have to use other means to solve problems. My computer is not capable, however a
large server can and this distinction agrees with chasing shadows.

The post borrowed comparison chart from a study I did. I posted that chart and explained who are trying to develop Ai Kicad.
The very expensive Ai EDA are not listed, they are private. Image recognition and an EE tuned database is starting to go public.

I told the computer what the hold up was I also asked for an
Example session using Ai to build a PCB
it started talking over my browser (as in wav file sound) so I copied accompanied text, replicated it text to speech.
Thats all I know, sometimes it knows what I was typing when latency is high it was ahead.

It uses lots of metaphors, the language and definitions seem like some companies culture, not sure, think it's called sandbox.
https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-...cat-comics-scott-metzger-fb-6256b250b7831.png

 

that link is private. your file is inaccessible.

as for translation, it may be that someone used dictionary to translate some the technical terms. after while more people adopted translation and now the awkward term is stuck...

btw. i tried recently Quilter to do some PCB layout on one of included demos (Pic programmer). wanted to see how AI scores... i reduced size of board to make it more reasonable. it took a while (few hours) but it did produces huge number of results,- and few of them did pass rule check (with different part placement etc.). while that is a success, i do not think i would pick any of them yet. AI is still in infancy and pretty sure things will improve.

 

Where's the fun in using AI to design electronics? It certainly won't teach one anything about electronics.

I was just reading an article about a small research project someone had completed. The project studied people who used AI to write college essays. They only had a small sample and noted that more study was needed, but in their limited data set, they found some interesting, but not totally unexpected results. People who use AI to complete coursework don't absorb the information that they include in their essays. In other words, AI does not help people to learn.

 

IMHO
Getting AI to output something useful is all about how you ask the question. It’s all about context and specificity, and being able to identify valid output. It usually takes multiple iterations.

For example, the first time ask it to generate code, I will ask for it to identify it as “version 1” and any future mods increment the version number. That way I can refer to specific code changes easier when communicating problems.

I don’t know if I’d call it “smart” or “intelligent”, but it can be useful.

 

AI makes you dumb and keeps you dumb.

I have been observing someone using GPS AI for navigating in a new city. Even after driving the same route multiple times, the driver is totally dependent on GPS (sat nav) for getting around. Without GPS, one would have learned to use visual cues, landmarks, signs, shops, churches, pubs, etc.

 

The circuit that includes Ai because it gets out of wack for many reasons not a routine to send out repair crew.
They could use the other R word, It just happens and they get in a truck and head to the location to check on the ra ra ra robot.

Re-calibration using a DAC is not a 10 minet bed time ritual like brushing your teeth.
That is adware that repeats over and over. The research culture terminology was hijacked was never about bowel movements.
The need for parallel arrays in various fields needed a way to improve analog with assist in 40Gb/s 400Gb/s ect, as a rough example,
the noise level when sorting the binary in computation is used to give a Telecom EE an adjustment formula, A polynomial is oversimplified.
The picture below is way oversimplified to show that ritual or any other description term facilitates adjustment for the faster speed in communication
because the adjustments deal with so many non-linear parameters adjustment would take too long otherwise. If landmarks were visible no assist is necessary. In teaching and learning we cannot bypass the details about how it works to become overly dependent on the

https://docs-be.ni.com/bundle/labvi...fits-llb/loc_fp_gen_poly_fit_1.gif?_LANG=enus