I just think it's wishful thinking that can happen today with market driven pricing.

Maybe a hundred years from now.

 

When a EV is embarrassed to be a EV.

 

Had to drive my Jeep Cherokee a few days ago and felt like I had dropped back in time 20 years.
The hesitation of the engine to the accelerator and while shifting, the transmission not going into the correct gear with the revving of the engine/noise going up a hill, and having to constantly go between the accelerator and brake in city traffic (after using the 1-pedal operation of my Ioniq5), was all rather a drag.
And I can fuel up in my garage for <5 cents(US) per mile.
Unlikely I will ever go back to an IC engine powered vehicle.

 

Had to drive my Jeep Cherokee a few days ago and felt like I had dropped back in time 20 years.
The hesitation of the engine to the accelerator and while shifting, the transmission not going into the correct gear with the revving of the engine/noise going up a hill, and having to constantly go between the accelerator and brake in city traffic (after using the 1-pedal operation of my Ioniq5), was all rather a drag.
And I can fuel up in my garage for <5 cents(US) per mile.
Unlikely I will ever go back to an IC engine powered vehicle.

So why are they adding the fake ICE crap to a EV. I just don't get making something new seem old. Seems stupid, like fake vacuum tubes in a modern class D amplifier.

 

So why are they adding the fake ICE crap to a EV.

Likely because some marketing (not engineering) type at Kia thought that adding the fake sound might sell EV cars to those who miss the sound of an ICE.
I'm not one of those people.
I like the sound of silence when I'm in a car (other than perhaps from my radio or someone I may be conversing with), not the drone of an ICE.

 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...-EVs-Britain-Norway-90-new-cars-electric.html

 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...t-Crashed-Despite-Record-EV-Market-Share.html
Norway’s Oil Demand Hasn’t Crashed Despite Record EV Market Share

The fact that a record 90% share of all new car sales in Norway are electric has failed to make any impact on the country’s oil demand, indicating that hopes of rising EV uptake making an immediate dent in global oil demand are unrealistic.

Last year, 82.4% of all new passenger cars sold in Norway were fully electric, up from 79.3% in 2022, according to the Norwegian Public Roads Administration and the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV).

This share has jumped to over 90% this year, but the impact on Norway’s oil demand “has been negligible,” bank UBS said in a note this week carried by Investing.com.


Norway has risen to become an EV powerhouse, also thanks to “generous financial incentives,” which have been partly funded by the Government Pension Fund Global, the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund that has amassed its wealth from sales of oil and gas, UBS noted.

Norwegians, like other consumers, are concerned about vehicle range, and many opt for hybrids or gasoline-fueled vehicles to travel longer distances, according to the bank.

“Another possibility is that electric vehicles are used for short distances, but Norwegians still rely on fossil fuels to cover longer distances,” UBS said in the note.

Moreover, even if road transportation fuel demand has declined, demand for LPG and ethane, used for heating and cooking and in petrochemicals, has been very strong, the bank added.

Road fuel demand in Norway has remained relatively stable even with soaring EV adoption, raising questions about whether EVs really have a material impact on diesel and gasoline sales, Rystad Energy said last year.

The lack of a noticeable dent in oil demand in a country where EVs are 90% of all new car sales is a cautionary tale for those predicting an immediate drop in oil demand due to rising EV sales, according to UBS.

There is still a huge fleet of ICE cars in Norway that will last and be burning gas for decades.

 

... to those who miss the sound of an ICE.

The original:

A modern homage:

 

The original:

A modern homage:

+1

 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...t-Crashed-Despite-Record-EV-Market-Share.html
Norway’s Oil Demand Hasn’t Crashed Despite Record EV Market Share




There is still a huge fleet of ICE cars in Norway that will last and be burning gas for decades.

Is that not the expected numbers though ?

Life of a car say 25 years
So till 2050 there is going to be a portion of cars needing petrol.
Cars take up say 15 percent of the countries cO2 ?

Is it not better to get rid of that 15 percent than keep renewing it ?

Interesting , Norway is cold , and very steep mountain roads , yet they can seem to encompas ev cars .

What's not to be great full for ?

Norway is also a large producer of petroleum and natural gas , so double encouraging that they believe it's worthwhile changing .

Why would you not want an EV ?

Infrastructure, yes the USA is diabolical on this , my recent trip to china had more chargers than my trip to California saw .

Range , just what range do you need ?
If you can charge at home , how many people do regularly more that 300 miles per day ?

Cold problems ? Norway can copy with it and they get dammed cold. It was -40 for a few days last time I was up north there.

Worried you won't look cool as your not driving a big guzzling , whalliwing car ?
Uhm, did not Detroit make similar arguments when the us car industry was going east ?

 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...t-Crashed-Despite-Record-EV-Market-Share.html
Norway’s Oil Demand Hasn’t Crashed Despite Record EV Market Share




There is still a huge fleet of ICE cars in Norway that will last and be burning gas for decades.

Ha. They're using pension funds to subsidize EV purchases.

That'll work out well for them.

 

Norway has pension funds to last them for several generations ... I know because I have a brother who married a Norwegian and lives in Oslo.

 

Norway has pension funds to last them for several generations ... I know because I have a brother who married a Norwegian and lives in Oslo.

Yes, the sovereign wealth fund, they are one of the richest (from selling oil) (and small with lots of cheap hydro) countries in the world per capita but they still need to subsidize the Norwegian EV marketplace by billions to the already affluent to get people will buy in.

The equivalent EV grift in the US would be hundreds of billions each year in the US.

 

"If you ever see that guy, do not shake his hand"

 

I'm more concerned about terrorism that actually terrorizes, injures/kills people (e.g. 911, Jan 06 riots, 1995 Oklahoma City) than I am about someone who burns cars.
Not that I approve of burning Teslas, just that it's not in the same category of lawlessness.
Unfortunately there are some who apparently feel the opposite.

 

It's the same flavor of lawlessness the embolds the truly criminal element to push it to the limit for their own sick reasons and I've seen the effect it has on a city called Portland, we all eventually suffer from this category of lawlessness. I hope the current intensity of this terrorism (terrorizing innocents like kids that have no say in the brand) never reaches cold blooded attempted or actual murder but if it keeps going, people will eventually be seriously injured or will die.

 

There is a middle ground of thinking that we rushed into the EV mandate conversion without sufficient infrastructure planning and/or market driven realities while also thinking that climate change is critical to long-term environmental stability.

The true believers on both ends of the spectrum are stopping a reasoned and sustainable EV market in the US IMO.

Wise words indeed!

And nowadays the issue is further polarized by Elon’s political antics.

 

It's the same flavor of lawlessness the embolds the truly criminal element to push it to the limit for their own sick reasons and I've seen the effect it has on a city called Portland, we all eventually suffer from this category of lawlessness. I hope the current intensity of this terrorism (terrorizing innocents like kids that have no say in the brand) never reaches cold blooded attempted or actual murder but if it keeps going, people will eventually be seriously injured or will die.

Don't disagree with that, just to labeling it worse than the terrorism of the Jan 06 riots, as indicated by the presidential pardons issued.

 

Don't disagree with that, just to labeling it worse than the terrorism of the Jan 06 riots, as indicated by the presidential pardons issued.

Who, here, said it was it worse than the terrorism of the Jan 06 riots? This is not about presidential pardons issued, it's about the crimes being committed, now.

 

Who, here, said it was it worse than the terrorism of the Jan 06 riots? This is not about presidential pardons issued, it's about the crimes being committed, now.

No one here, but POTUS did.
You posted a video about the Tesla attacks being domestic terrorism, so putting those crimes in perspective based on the present political atmosphere is pertinent.
POTUS implied that is was worse, from his pardons and statements about the Tesla attacks now, so it is about presidential pardons.
You can ignore what POTUS does, but the past is definitely relevant to what's happening in the present.