Barcode on medicine package [SOLVED]

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Reloadron

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Show the flipping calendar pages, the autumn leaves then the snow being blown across the screen as the calendar pages flip over. The CueCat concept, which never took off is trying again but with some differences: Instead of scanning barcodes with a cat-shaped probe connected to a computer (every kitchen had one by then, remember?) QR codes are displayed on TV screens that can be snapped by cell phones to take the viewer to a specific web page or to provide feedback to the marketer.

CueCat is dead! Long live CueCat

I was impressed that the innards contained a photodiode inside a metal shield and an LM358. I could not get over a metal shield adding to the quality of an LM358's output.
I still have a CueCat around here somewhere. :)

<EDIT> I actually found it and my bad. It actually has a PS2 port connector and a variety of adapters and the original CD software. :) </EDIT>

Ron
 
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Pushkar1

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1) When you buy a medicine How do you verify whether it is genuine or fake?

2) Does your government provide you any such facility where you can verify your medicine whether it is genuine or fake?

3) Can it be found out by scanning the barcode on the package of medicine whether the medicine is genuine or counterfeit?

Or

Does barcode scanning only show the product's manufacturing information?

Name of the manufacturer
Name of the product
Pharmaceutical form, strength, size
Location of the firm
Manufacturing date
Expiry date
 

Ya’akov

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1) When you buy a medicine How do you verify whether it is genuine or fake?

2) Does your government provide you any such facility where you can verify your medicine whether it is genuine or fake?

3) Can it be found out by scanning the barcode on the package of medicine whether the medicine is genuine or counterfeit?

Or

Does barcode scanning only show the product's manufacturing information?

Name of the manufacturer
Name of the product
Pharmaceutical form, strength, size
Location of the firm
Manufacturing date
Expiry date
In the US, we depend on the retailer and the sealed packaging to decide if a medicine is real.

The barcodes on consumer packaging are not used to store data about the product, only its identity to access database records about it. There is no way to “authenticate“ a barcode would provide no assurance about the legitimacy of the product it appears on.

There are going to be three different barcodes appearing on packages. The one all will have is the UPC code, which is used for commerce. The UPC code has a unique number assigned to a particular SKU (StockKeeping Unit) which is the identity of a particular product (including its type, size, color, and the like) used to manage inventory.

There may also be other codes for the manufacturing process including 1D codes like Code 39 or Code 128 having information important to the manufacturer (including things like serial numbers) and 2D codes like Datamatrix which can identify a product as it moves on an assembly line.
 

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Pushkar1

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So I have visited the website given in the link http://dava.gov.in/

It is my guess that the medicine manufacturer has to buy barcode/QR code for their product. Barcode data has to be uploaded in the website of the given link. The data is in government database, which can be easily authenticated
 

Ya’akov

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So I have visited the website given in the link http://dava.gov.in/

It is my guess that the medicine manufacturer has to buy barcode/QR code for their product. Barcode data has to be uploaded in the website of the given link. The data is in government database, which can be easily authenticated
That Indian government website is about prescription drugs and the barcodes are only the same information that is printed in clear text along side it. The barcode is just a convenience, it is not essential to the system.

The system is based on unique serial number and authentication code combinations and might be based on an encryption algorithm so the manufacturer can generate codes on the fly. If it requires registration for each serial number, that is a very big overhead.

I was referring, in the US, to OTC (Over The Counter) medication but similarly we depend on the pharmacy and the packaging. We don’t have a big problem with counterfeit prescription drugs here.
 

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Pushkar1

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That Indian government website is about prescription drugs and the barcodes are only the same information that is printed in clear text along side it. The barcode is just a convenience, it is not essential to the system.

The system is based on unique serial number and authentication code combinations and might be based on an encryption algorithm so the manufacturer can generate codes on the fly. If it requires registration for each serial number, that is a very big overhead.

I was referring, in the US, to OTC (Over The Counter) medication but similarly we depend on the pharmacy and the packaging. We don’t have a big problem with counterfeit prescription drugs here.
An interesting discussion is given in the page below

.https://www.neurotags.com/blog/neurotags-pharma-india-track-trace/

From November 2018, it would be necessary for the Indian Pharmaceutical companies to have Track & Trace and authentication mechanism in place and upload the data of the drugs on DAVA portal in order to export them to other countries.

It shows that if you want to sell medicine in India, you have to first upload the record in the database of the government.
 

Ya’akov

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An interesting discussion is given in the page below

.https://www.neurotags.com/blog/neurotags-pharma-india-track-trace/

From November 2018, it would be necessary for the Indian Pharmaceutical companies to have Track & Trace and authentication mechanism in place and upload the data of the drugs on DAVA portal in order to export them to other countries.

It shows that if you want to sell medicine in India, you have to first upload the record in the database of the government.
It's as I suspected, they are using encryption and some additional checks (authentication pre- and post-purchase connected in a database to reduce the possibility of just copying the exposed tag.

They are cagey about more details, but it appears they use part of the tag as a vendor ID and part as a serial number unique to the item, along with a private key to encrypt the authentication code based on it.

It seems like a pretty good system but the devil is in the details of the implementation.

https://www.neurotags.com/white-papers/foolproof-anti-counterfeiting-technology
 

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Pushkar1

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It's as I suspected, they are using encryption and some additional checks (authentication pre- and post-purchase connected in a database to reduce the possibility of just copying the exposed tag.

They are cagey about more details, but it appears they use part of the tag as a vendor ID and part as a serial number unique to the item, along with a private key to encrypt the authentication code based on it.

It seems like a pretty good system but the devil is in the details of the implementation.

https://www.neurotags.com/white-papers/foolproof-anti-counterfeiting-technology
I don't understand what is the point of Track & Trace and authentication mechanism in details given in page
 

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Pushkar1

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I don't understand your confusion. What is your question?
What is meant by Track & Trace and authentication mechanism in following description?

From November 2018, it would be necessary for the Indian Pharmaceutical companies to have Track & Trace and authentication mechanism in place and upload the data of the drugs on DAVA portal in order to export them to other countries
 

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you can read and write (print) any barcode. nothing stops you from making chocolates "tastes_good_XYZ" but placing barcode label that actually say "bycicle_tire_UVW". you can literally print anything you like. but since barcodes are meant to be electronically readable, they normally contain numbers or codes instead of text descriptions.

if someone wants to create a fake chocolate product, duplicating original barcode is the least of their worries - they would just print the good one from original product.
 

Ya’akov

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No, I think it is related to barcode verification.
There are more details in following link

https://m.indiamart.com/proddetail/2d-barcode-verification-track-and-trace-system-6472041533.html
Yes, it is related to the system. As you can see the barcodes aren't required to make it work, they are used to make things easier, at least for the consumer.

The meaning of "track and trace" is at least something like what I said, using the system including the barcodes to do it.
 

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Pushkar1

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The meaning of "track and trace" is at least something like what I said, using the system including the barcodes to do it.
In this video it is seen that the barcode is printed on the labels one by one.


Trace the label and print barcode on it.
 

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Pushkar1

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We aren't having any luck communicating here. I'm going to bow out.
In your Post # 31 have a different opinion about Track and Trace System

It seems to me that the meaning of the track and trace is to trace the label location on the conveyor and print the barcode on it. Please watch video
 

Ya’akov

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In your Post # 31 have a different opinion about Track and Trace System

It seems to me that the meaning of the track and trace is to trace the label location on the conveyor and print the barcode on it. Please watch video
I have no idea why you think that. The video doesn't show anything that would suggest that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_and_trace

I really don't have any more interest in this topic, sorry.
 

Reloadron

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1) When you buy a medicine How do you verify whether it is genuine or fake?

2) Does your government provide you any such facility where you can verify your medicine whether it is genuine or fake?

3) Can it be found out by scanning the barcode on the package of medicine whether the medicine is genuine or counterfeit?

Or

Does barcode scanning only show the product's manufacturing information?

Name of the manufacturer
Name of the product
Pharmaceutical form, strength, size
Location of the firm
Manufacturing date
Expiry date
Wow, miss a day and miss a lot. :)

Many thanks to Yaakov and Bertus for their responses.

All of my medicine comes from either my local pharmacy which is government regulated or from the VA (Veterans Administration) also regulated. The only information in the barcode is what the produce is and what the product cost.

Ron
 
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