Ban file recovery questions -- maybe?

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
3,646
I prefer to have the minimum possible of restrictions regarding subjects I could talk about in this site.

It is as valid as the so many finding a way here. Why would you like to ban that precisely?
 

bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
20,233
Hello,

We will see soon enough if it is a catch two spammers posting.
We will take our measures when we encounter them.

Bertus
 

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Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
12,771
My argument is that there is really a very small chance that corrupted files can be recovered under most circumstances. It largely depends on the corruption mechanism which is seldom among the details provided.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
16,162
I would beg to differ on the last point - I've had some success over the years - but it seems like all the posts here on that topic are not legit. Since I now ignore them, I'm not passionate one way or the other on a ban. It's hard to see how such a question would ever be useful here unless it was specific to a file type related to circuits, such as LTspice, Eagle or such.
 

spinnaker

Joined Oct 29, 2009
7,837
Why not just require email verification on registration? it would stop a lot of that garbage.

Additional measures you should need X amount of posts before you can post an outside link.

Our proxy server at work won't let us go to a lot of URLs. Isn't there a similar application for forums that would block links to known spam sites?
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
25,110
Why not just require email verification on registration? it would stop a lot of that garbage.

Additional measures you should need X amount of posts before you can post an outside link.

Our proxy server at work won't let us go to a lot of URLs. Isn't there a similar application for forums that would block links to known spam sites?
E-mail verification IS required on registration. The spammers know this and know how to get around it (it doesn't take a very sophisticated bot to watch an e-mail address and respond).

Lots of legitimate users post external links, often to pictures of schematics or projects. New users are more likely to do this than experienced users. We try to discourage links to external content, but the downsides of not allowing it exceed the drawbacks of doing so. If we don't allow it, then people can't post links to data sheets or to DigiKey searches or Google searches or reference sites or... well, you get the idea. It's not uncommon for a new member to join specifically because they have run across a question/thread they feel they can offer something to. That something often involves a link to an external reference/resource.

We check IP addresses and URLs against databases of known spam sites. Of course, serious spammers know about these databases and as soon as their information shows up in them they switch things up and use information that isn't in them.
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
5,958
The spammers are no dummies and are a Darwinian marvel. I used to get a ton of spam from eku.edu and fought back, reporting them to two anti/spam services, sending an email back to webmaster and postmaster of their domain and marking them as spam in my email client. For each and every email (spam) that they sent. It worked.

Kind of. They now have constructed their spam so it looks like I am spamming myself. The spam is increasing. I'll have to rip apart a message to develop my new strategy.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
25,110
The spammers are no dummies and are a Darwinian marvel. I used to get a ton of spam from eku.edu and fought back, reporting them to two anti/spam services, sending an email back to webmaster and postmaster of their domain and marking them as spam in my email client. For each and every email (spam) that they sent. It worked.

Kind of. They now have constructed their spam so it looks like I am spamming myself. The spam is increasing. I'll have to rip apart a message to develop my new strategy.
On the one hand this doesn't surprise me at all while, on the other, I shake my head and wonder what they think the point is of going after people that they KNOW are never going to give them a dime.
 

spinnaker

Joined Oct 29, 2009
7,837
Lots of legitimate users post external links, often to pictures of schematics or projects. New users are more likely to do this than experienced users. We try to discourage links to external content, but the downsides of not allowing it exceed the drawbacks of doing so. If we don't allow it, then people can't post links to data sheets or to DigiKey searches or Google searches or reference sites or... well, you get the idea. It's not uncommon for a new member to join specifically because they have run across a question/thread they feel they can offer something to. That something often involves a link to an external reference/resource.
The microchip forum does not allow new users to post links. A pain but over all I think a good idea. I do not click on any links from a newbie no matter how well intentioned it might be.
 

spinnaker

Joined Oct 29, 2009
7,837
On the one hand this doesn't surprise me at all while, on the other, I shake my head and wonder what they think the point is of going after people that they KNOW are never going to give them a dime.

Why I can't figure out how spam works at all. It is not lie this is a new thing. They must have to go through an awful lot of emails to hook a fish.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
25,110
Why I can't figure out how spam works at all. It is not lie this is a new thing. They must have to go through an awful lot of emails to hook a fish.
There are two possibilities (both of which are almost certainly true)

1) The spammer is the one being conned -- they bought into the notion that if they buy some program that sends out huge numbers of e-mails to some special list that they will get rich overnight.

2) The spammer is playing the odds just like any other form of advertising -- if the per-piece cost is microscopic, then you only need a microscopic response rate to make an acceptable return.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
25,110
The microchip forum does not allow new users to post links. A pain but over all I think a good idea. I do not click on any links from a newbie no matter how well intentioned it might be.
It's an option and there's no absolute correct answer. The owners of this forum have to decide what they believe is best for this forum.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
16,162
Banning links and not allowing pictures makes it really tough for a newbie to post a schematic, the one thing we request of almost everyone. There must be better ways to detect a human.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
25,110
Banning links and not allowing pictures makes it really tough for a newbie to post a schematic, the one thing we request of almost everyone. There must be better ways to detect a human.
Part of the philosophy we have here, though it isn't anything official and I'm really just speaking from my own impressions and experiences, is that we try to be pretty minimalist on the restrictions and rely on case-by-case actions, taken by humans (the mod staff), often in response to reports made by humans (other members). As long as that results on an overhead load that the mods can handle, that is the way we prefer to handle things. It's not perfect, bet I think it's the better approach as long as it remains workable. What we are trying to do is to develop better tools not to block posts, but to moderate potentially troublesome posts so that the case-by-case discussions and action can be taken before the general membership see it. That will keep some of the sausage-making process behind the counter.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
16,162
Works for me. A post with keywords "file recovery" or "file corruption" should perhaps go straight to limbo for further review by a human. As I said, I've come to ignore them now anyway, so it's no big deal.
 
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