You know now I am half, possibly 3/4's even, tempted to do up a thread specifically just for posting outrageously dangerous things that can be done with simple common objects device, equipment and what not most anyone can find/has around home or anywhere else just to prove the point of just because someone said it on the interment doesn't mean some idiots will actually going to go out and do it.

 

You know now I am half, possibly 3/4's even, tempted to do up a thread specifically just for posting outrageously dangerous things that can be done with simple common objects device, equipment and what not most anyone can find/has around home or anywhere else just to prove the point of just because someone said it on the interment doesn't mean some idiots will actually going to go out and do it.

I can request that a mod split this off as your new thread to do just that!

 

You know now I am half, possibly 3/4's even, tempted to do up a thread specifically just for posting outrageously dangerous things that can be done with simple common objects device, equipment and what not most anyone can find/has around home or anywhere else just to prove the point of just because someone said it on the interment doesn't mean some idiots will actually going to go out and do it.

That's not the point. Prior to the recent reorganization, the website and forum was personally owned by an individual, meaning that he was personally and completely liable for any and all judgments placed against the website or forum. Yes, someone could most certain take two automotive batteries and try to measure the current when they were hooked directly in series in order to test something they read in a forum post here. And, yes, they could sue the owners of the website for the injuries they incurred in the resulting explosion. But the owners were (justifiably or not) confident that such a lawsuit would not prevail. They simply were not that confident (justifiably or not) that a lawsuit would meet the same fate if it stemmed from someone making a reasonable sounding modification to a vehicle's engine control module that they read about here and that resulted in damages not only to the individual that made the mod but also the people in the other vehicles involved in the accident. So the owner of the site -- which is to say the person whose personal assets were 100% on the line -- made decisions about what they would and would not allow to be discussed based the risks as they assessed them and their willingness to accept those risks. Keep in mind that it would only take ONE successful lawsuit to completely RUIN the owner's financial world, possibly for the rest of their life. So they determined that they were too uncomfortable accepting that risk in the case of automotive modifications, but were willing to accept that risk (again keeping in mind that it would only take ONE successful suit) in most other areas. YOU may not agree with their assessment or their decision, but YOU are not the one putting everything you own at risk, are you?

Why is that such a hard concept for so many people to comprehend?

Now that the website and forum are owned by an LLC, the owner is comfortable taking the risk because now, provided they don't do anything let lets a plaintiff pierce the corporate veil, their exposure is limited to their investment in the LLC.

Why is that such a hard concept for so many people to comprehend?

 

@WBahn
Please read the words and sentences that are actually in posts instead of assuming what the post is about (e.g. in @tcmtech post above).

I don't know what it is but some people on this site want to suddenly assume everyone else knows nothing about law and, at the same time, assume they do know something about law. It seems like some people's brains go into an autopilot defensive / psudo-lawyer mode whenever the word automotive is mentioned and suddenly try to pretend they are lawyers - in this case, even when the post has no mention or threat of automotive! And no criticism of past automotive bans, and his pervious post in this thread clearly demonstrate he understands the concept of liability, LLC and individual ownership.

 

Yes, someone could most certain take two automotive batteries and try to measure the current when they were hooked directly in series

Point of order: Since we're talking two batteries, wouldn't that be the same as inverse parallel?

 

hat's not the point. Prior to the recent reorganization, the website and forum was personally owned by an individual, meaning that he was personally and completely liable for any and all judgments placed against the website or forum.

Yes they would be liable for misconduct of the ownership of the site but they are not liable for what other people suggest in their website and that law is defined in here, http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communications-decency-act and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communications_Decency_Act .

Basically.

1. If you passively host third-party content, you will be fully protected under Section 230.
2. If you exercise traditional editorial functions over user submitted content, such as deciding whether to publish, remove, or edit material, you will not lose your immunity unless your edits materially alter the meaning of the content.
3. If you pre-screen objectionable content or correct, edit, or remove content, you will not lose your immunity.
4. If you encourage or pay third-parties to create or submit content, you will not lose your immunity.
5. If you use drop-down forms or multiple-choice questionnaires, you should be cautious of allowing users to submit information through these forms that might be deemed illegal.

The web site/forum ownership is the distributor not the publisher of the content thus not liable for what others/forum members may suggest as long as they have not modified or edited the posted content.

Now as far as you personally following bad advice and getting hurt or worse from it that is for the most part entirely your own fault for not thinking things through and using any degree of rational cautious thought up front.

As for anyone who wants to play arm chair lawyer over who is liable for your own stupidity in taking bad online advice I suggest they sign up for membership at this site, http://www.expertlaw.com/ and report back to us.

 

I and others pointed out those same things on a few occasions, but as I specifically noted, it does not matter whether the owner's position was warranted or not, it was THEIR prerogative to assess the risk and set THEIR guidelines for the site that THEY own according to THEIR assessment of the risk.

 

Have you read any of the complaints about automotive posts and liability excuses why we cannot (could not) post on this topic? Welcome to the party, everyone has already left and automotive posts are allowed again. And, welcome to the site. It will get better, you just happened to stumble upon one of the resident asses here.

Major ops! My apokogies. I did just join here. But it is good that the issue has been resolved. Thanks for bringing an ole fella up to speed.

 

Major ops! My apokogies. I did just join here. But it is good that the issue has been resolved. Thanks for bringing an ole fella up to speed.

I think 90% of 'the regulars' here are on the downward side of 50. I'm sure you will fit in fine.

 

I think 90% of 'the regulars' here are on the downward side of 50. I'm sure you will fit in fine.

You mean downward as in "over the hill and down after that" or as in "below 50"?
Whatever you meant... I'm right on top of the hill right now..

 

You mean downward as in "over the hill and down after that" or as in "below 50"?
Whatever you meant... I'm right on top of the hill right now..

You said "now" a few second ago. Hate to say it, but now you are clearly past the acme. The acceleration to the bottom has started. None of us get out alive!

Edit: I didn't mean to imply that 40 wasn't on the downward slide as well!

 

...just because someone said it on the interment doesn't mean some idiots will actually going to go out and do it.

Prima facia evidence to the contrary.

There are Billions of people on the planet, and yet, we still manage to have winners of the Darwin Award. http://darwinawards.com/darwin/

 

I didn't mean to imply that 40 wasn't on the downward slide as well!

You mean that 40 is the one that's considered "the hill" ???? I thought it was 50! I thought that the 50's were the new 30's!

 

Prima facia evidence to the contrary.

There are Billions of people on the planet, and yet, we still manage to have winners of the Darwin Award.

Well I do consider myself to be an active sponsor of the Darwin awards and I do encourage as many people to participate as possible by any means they are or may be capable of and I am always happy to assist anyone who may be having difficulty finding a proper way of entry for nomination or outrightly winning of an award.

 

You mean downward as in "over the hill and down after that" or as in "below 50"?
Whatever you meant... I'm right on top of the hill right now..

Same here.

 

Well I do consider myself to be an active sponsor of the Darwin awards and I do encourage as many people to participate as possible by any means they are or may be capable of and I am always happy to assist anyone who may be having difficulty finding a proper way of entry for nomination or outrightly winning of an award.

The ones I particularly like are the non-posthumous Darwin Awards.

 

The ones I particularly like are the non-posthumous Darwin Awards.

OUCH!

 

The forum has be come important to world matters such as N.A.F.T.A.

and other treaties , Trade agreements... No debate needed.

 

Wbahn ,Moderator...congrats...getting myself up to date.

 

tcmtech, did you survive the oil prices or did you return to the lower states.

After your blood pressure lowers ,reply.