12Volt DC and 9 V battery for LED strip

Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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I suggest, for starters, that you get a fresh 9V alkaline battery and test to see if it will light the 12V LED strip with sufficient brightness.
 

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lone.vaas

Joined Mar 14, 2016
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@ScottWang this is the multimeter, i found this useful as well.
@Alec_t it seems to be lighting up well, though its not as bright. the 12V circuit seems to be the brightest. i would have loved it if it were brighter.
see attached picture. I picked up a rechargeable Ni-Mh 300mAh 9V battery and it seems to light up too.

i cant wait to try the circuit, you guys have all been a big help.


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Dodgydave

Joined Jun 22, 2012
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If your led strip uses a constant current source, the brightness will be the same for all voltages, if its a fixed series resistor type, then the brightness will vary.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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We all know what that meter is. It's the $4 Cen-Tek meter you get for free at Harbor Freight on coupon Sundays.
I'll be there in a hour. Need more tools!
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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@Dodgydave So is it possible to have a Constant current source with a 9V battery circuit?
Sure it's possible. You can have a constant current source with any voltage available -- the voltage just establishes the limits over which the current source can operate. We had a 2 V battery-powered current source that could go up to 1000 A.
 

ScottWang

Joined Aug 23, 2012
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Measuring the current:
+V → (+) Ameter (-) → (+) Led strip (-) → Gnd(or 0V)
The measuring range turn to 10A and the probe also insert to 10A hole as below.


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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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@WBahn Wow, thanks! So how would I be able to apply that to my circuit?
Apply what to your circuit?

If you use the circuit you show above, your 12 V source will push current into your 9 V alkaline battery (via the 100 Ω resistor) right up to the point where the battery bursts or explodes. Are you sure that's what you want?
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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The fact that constant current circuits exist doesn't mean you need one or want one.
You don't have enough voltage to use it up in a constant current circuit which accomplishes nothing except a steady light level. In this case, you are trying to use an 8.4 volt nicad on a circuit that won't work with 6 volts and the result would be a constant level of no brightness at all.
 

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lone.vaas

Joined Mar 14, 2016
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@WBahn in the diagram, i mistakenly put an alkaline battery , my circuit has a Ni-Mh 9 V battery.
@#12 thanks for the info, i tend to try and fit in every possible thing.

I made the circuit with the 9V rechargeable and i notice that my 100ohm resistor is really heating up. is that normal??
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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I made the circuit with the 9V rechargeable and i notice that my 100ohm resistor is really heating up. is that normal??
No. 3.6 to 5 volts of difference should inflict about 1/8th to 1/4th of a watt on that resistor. Did you use a really tiny resistor?
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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That looks like a 1/4 watt resistor. If the NiCad is low you might be getting it as hot as its design limit. Check the voltage across the resistor. It it's more than 5 volts you have a problem.
 

Dodgydave

Joined Jun 22, 2012
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Measure the voltage drop across the resistor, using this formula will give you the wattage and current limits.

W=V*V/R. (wattage)

I=V/R. ( current)

Edit, a 100 ohms resistor will give a maximum current of 120mA, and will need to be 1.5W minimum.
 
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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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Measure the voltage drop across the resistor, using this formula will give you the wattage and current limits.

W=V*V/R. (wattage)

I=V/R. ( current)

Edit, a 100 ohms resistor will give a maximum current of 120mA, and will need to be 1.5W minimum.
Why do you think that the rechargeable battery will be at 0 V? This is what would be required to get 120 mA of current through a 100 Ω resistor.
 

Dodgydave

Joined Jun 22, 2012
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I don't think it will be at zero, it will probably be around 8v,so the current would be around 40mA. I said 120mA would be the maximum if the battery was shorted out.
 
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