10 Watt LED Driver

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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3rd World Country authorities rip you off at every chance they get. The bank charges alone were 100% more than the cost of the LED's.

But enough of this onward and upward to making and learning more
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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The way I figure this, you have 100k on the collector of Q2. That transistor has to get rid of about .00025 amps. That puts the Vbe a little below .6 volts and you want more than 1 amp in the mosfet.
R= E/I
R = .59V/1.05 amps
R = .562 ohms

As the circuit gets hot, the Vbe will diminish and not cause thermal run-away.
This is a constant current circuit. It has nothing to do with an LED calculator.
Believing an IRF520 is a TO-220 package, I did not assume you had no heat sink on the mosfet. That was at 4 AM for me. Now that the time here is 3 PM I can see that 20+ watts on a TO-220 is not going to work.
(Didn't read the rest of the thread, just answered the question that was put to me.)
Hi

I have clearly not grasped this Resistor calculation for the driver.

I have connected three LED's in Series, they are 3.3 - 3.4 volt 350mA.

I then used the above formula

R=E/I
=.59/320
= 1.84R

I had a 2R resistor so used that!

When testing I had a power output of 5.9 Watts at 0.5 Amps.

I was expecting it to be around 8 watts at 0.320 Amps.

Have no idea where I have gone wrong
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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Your first attempt showed a Vbe of .5848 volts. If you want .5 amp, you have to do it like this:
R = .5848V/.5amps and that is 1.17 ohms.
Apparently a 1.2 ohm 1/2 watt resistor or a 1.5 ohm 1 watt resistor (a bit safer) will work for this.
I don't know what you mean by getting an output of 5.9 watts. You should be getting an output made of light.
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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Your first attempt showed a Vbe of .5848 volts. If you want .5 amp, you have to do it like this:
R = .5848V/.5amps and that is 1.17 ohms.
Apparently a 1.2 ohm 1/2 watt resistor or a 1.5 ohm 1 watt resistor (a bit safer) will work for this.
I don't know what you mean by getting an output of 5.9 watts. You should be getting an output made of light.
Sorry, the LED's do light I have a watt meter its a MASON it shows the output power is 6.9 Watts at 0.5 amps. I thought each LED was 3 Watts so the total power would be 9 Watts. the rating is 350mA but thought it safer to limit the current to 3220mA. That's why I divided the 0.59 by 320mA
 

#12

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.5848V/2 ohms is 292 ma.
I don't know how you measure the power at 500 ma when that is not what you are applying to the LEDs.
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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.5848V/2 ohms is 292 ma.
I don't know how you measure the power at 500 ma when that is not what you are applying to the LEDs.
I am totally confused over all this I have attached a photo of the meter showing the results
 

MikeML

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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To provide proper current regulation, the voltage drop across the ballast resistor (unfortunately, also the power dissipated by the ballast resistor) must be much larger, maybe approaching 2 to 3V.

With the tiny voltage drop across the ballast resistor your are using, the slightest change in the forward voltage drop on the LEDs as they self-heat will cause wild swings in the current through them.

The goal of picking a value for the ballast resistor is to make its voltage drop large enough to allow the LEDs forward voltage to change without changing the current much.


Compare these two cases: Note the current regulation through the two 3W LEDs as a function of temperature:

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#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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To provide proper current regulation, the voltage drop across the ballast resistor (unfortunately, also the power dissipated by the ballast resistor) must be much larger, maybe approaching 2 to 3V.
I don't think you looked at the circuit, Mike. Go to post #1
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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To provide proper current regulation, the voltage drop across the ballast resistor (unfortunately, also the power dissipated by the ballast resistor) must be much larger, maybe approaching 2 to 3V.

With the tiny voltage drop across the ballast resistor your are using, the slightest change in the forward voltage drop on the LEDs as they self-heat will cause wild swings in the current through them.

The goal of picking a value for the ballast resistor is to make its voltage drop large enough to allow the LEDs forward voltage to change without changing the current much.
So does this mean a resistor of Value 10K
 

MikeML

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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I don't think you looked at the circuit, Mike. Go to post #1
Ok, so take my point, but substitute (the voltage drop across the NFET plus the drop across the source resistor) for (the drop across just the resistor) in my posting #28. You still need to have enough compliance in the current source to aborb the delta voltage across the LEDs.
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
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Ok, so take my point, but substitute (the voltage drop across the NFET plus the drop across the source resistor) for (the drop across just the resistor) in my posting #28. You still need to have enough compliance in the current source to aborb the delta voltage across the LEDs.
Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand this at all
 

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RodneyB

Joined Apr 28, 2012
698
I am totally confused over all this I have attached a photo of the meter showing the results
I am not sure why a driver is necessary for three of These LED's in series. I have used an 8R2 5 Watt resistor, and the lights come on granted it gets warm but it works.

I would like to know what the advantage of a driver is
 
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