CurSns3 – High-Side Current Shunt Test.
Blog Index.
This section, CurSns3, will test a High-Side Current Shunt to demonstrate:
Current sensor resistors are used to convert current to an easily measured voltage that is proportional to current as discussed in the blog:
https://electronicsknowhowblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/24/cursns2-current-sense-resistors/
High-Side Current Shunt Test.
Figure 1. High-Side Current Sensing Test Circuit.
It is not very safe to use an open shunt on the bench, you must observe safe operation in the area of such tests.
For the test, PSU3 is a mains power socket operating at 240Vac 50Hz, RSense is a Murata 20A 50mV current shunt, Load LD3 is an oil filled radiator that takes about 5A on full power and the load circuit Gnd is mains Neutral. The Amplifier A2 is part of a DVM, which is a bench type, powered from the same mains strip as the load. The DVM must have an internal power supply and there is galvanic isolation between the black input socket of the DVM and Neutral. The current shunt has a 4-wire configuration and, for the first test, the DVM is connected directly to the sense terminals.
To measure the common mode voltage at the input to the DVM we use a second handheld meter, battery powered; we do not have access to 0VDVM so the measurement will be made to the black input test clip at IN- of the bench DVM.
Figure 2. High-Side Measurement.
The results show that the bench DVM reads 12.818mV AC, which corresponds to a current of:
20A/50mV x 12.818mV = 5.13Aac.
The common mode voltage is 227.1Vac. (These ac results are of course rms).
Typical 2-wire Connection.
Figure 3. A 2-wire High-Side Connection.
In our test, the red measurement clip was moved from the shunt sense terminal to the mains source on the socket strip. So we have added a potentially large value of Wire1Resistance to the shunt resistance RSense. The circuit passed through 3 metres of cable and 3 connectors that add contact resistance in series with the shunt.
Figure 4. 2-wire measurement.
The current is still around 5A but the measurement is now 1.2528Vac, which corresponds to a current of:
20A/50mV x 1252.8mV = 501A … this a hundred times error!
The resistance RSense of the Murata shunt is 50mV/20A = 2.5mR.
But the resistance including Wire1Resistance is 1.2528/5.13A = 244mR. (we know 5.13A is flowing)
This is quite an extreme example but it does show the danger of using 2-wire measurements with a current sense resistor. If for some reason you have to use 2-wire measurement because you cannot afford to run the extra wires then you need to make the value of RSense >> than the Wire1Resistance (or Wire2Resistance if it is also significant.) For example, we could us a 2.5R resistor for RSense, then the wiring error is only 10% and we might accept that. There are other trade-offs, there will be power dissipation of 52X2.5 = 62.5W so we need to choose a component for RSense rated for say 100W on a heat-sink. Also there will be a volts drop of 12.5Vac at the load.
Common-mode voltage and isolation.
One final observation about common-mode voltage; at 227Vac, peak 321V it requires a special amplifier to withstand that at its inputs. You may search around and find the INA149 can withstand +/-275V on its inputs. That type of amplifier can be used if the input is limited to 275Vpeak. Alternatively an isolation amplifier allows the input stage to float to the voltage referenced on the IN- pin while the output operates at the supply 0V, which may be earthed. For example ACPL-C790 can withstand 1.2kV between inputs and outputs. The bench DVM almost certainly uses an isolation amplifier between the input and the mains supply. The hand-held DVM is battery operated and can float at the IN- potential of +/- 321V; the user is protected by the plastic case and the safety style sockets and test probes.
Of course it is not very safe to use an open shunt on the bench, you must observe safe operation in the area of such tests.
High-Side measurement requires consideration of the common-mode voltage, isolation and a carefully crafted solution – more on this later.
This blog will be available at element14 community.
Here are a few useful links to components at Farnell.
http://uk.farnell.com/avago-technol...ic-amp-isolation-8soic/dp/1854250?ost=1854250
http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instrum...dp/2082428?ost=ina149&categoryId=700000004305
http://uk.farnell.com/murata-power-solutions/3020-01098-0/shunt-50mv-20a/dp/1339338
electronics know-how blog
Current Sense Resistors.
Blog Index.
This section, CurSns3, will test a High-Side Current Shunt to demonstrate:
- High common mode voltage
- Big (massive) error using 2-wire connection
- Why you should use 4-wire connection whenever possible
- The advantages of isolation amplifiers
Current sensor resistors are used to convert current to an easily measured voltage that is proportional to current as discussed in the blog:
https://electronicsknowhowblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/24/cursns2-current-sense-resistors/
High-Side Current Shunt Test.
Figure 1. High-Side Current Sensing Test Circuit.
It is not very safe to use an open shunt on the bench, you must observe safe operation in the area of such tests.
For the test, PSU3 is a mains power socket operating at 240Vac 50Hz, RSense is a Murata 20A 50mV current shunt, Load LD3 is an oil filled radiator that takes about 5A on full power and the load circuit Gnd is mains Neutral. The Amplifier A2 is part of a DVM, which is a bench type, powered from the same mains strip as the load. The DVM must have an internal power supply and there is galvanic isolation between the black input socket of the DVM and Neutral. The current shunt has a 4-wire configuration and, for the first test, the DVM is connected directly to the sense terminals.
To measure the common mode voltage at the input to the DVM we use a second handheld meter, battery powered; we do not have access to 0VDVM so the measurement will be made to the black input test clip at IN- of the bench DVM.
Figure 2. High-Side Measurement.
The results show that the bench DVM reads 12.818mV AC, which corresponds to a current of:
20A/50mV x 12.818mV = 5.13Aac.
The common mode voltage is 227.1Vac. (These ac results are of course rms).
Typical 2-wire Connection.
Figure 3. A 2-wire High-Side Connection.
In our test, the red measurement clip was moved from the shunt sense terminal to the mains source on the socket strip. So we have added a potentially large value of Wire1Resistance to the shunt resistance RSense. The circuit passed through 3 metres of cable and 3 connectors that add contact resistance in series with the shunt.
Figure 4. 2-wire measurement.
The current is still around 5A but the measurement is now 1.2528Vac, which corresponds to a current of:
20A/50mV x 1252.8mV = 501A … this a hundred times error!
The resistance RSense of the Murata shunt is 50mV/20A = 2.5mR.
But the resistance including Wire1Resistance is 1.2528/5.13A = 244mR. (we know 5.13A is flowing)
This is quite an extreme example but it does show the danger of using 2-wire measurements with a current sense resistor. If for some reason you have to use 2-wire measurement because you cannot afford to run the extra wires then you need to make the value of RSense >> than the Wire1Resistance (or Wire2Resistance if it is also significant.) For example, we could us a 2.5R resistor for RSense, then the wiring error is only 10% and we might accept that. There are other trade-offs, there will be power dissipation of 52X2.5 = 62.5W so we need to choose a component for RSense rated for say 100W on a heat-sink. Also there will be a volts drop of 12.5Vac at the load.
Common-mode voltage and isolation.
One final observation about common-mode voltage; at 227Vac, peak 321V it requires a special amplifier to withstand that at its inputs. You may search around and find the INA149 can withstand +/-275V on its inputs. That type of amplifier can be used if the input is limited to 275Vpeak. Alternatively an isolation amplifier allows the input stage to float to the voltage referenced on the IN- pin while the output operates at the supply 0V, which may be earthed. For example ACPL-C790 can withstand 1.2kV between inputs and outputs. The bench DVM almost certainly uses an isolation amplifier between the input and the mains supply. The hand-held DVM is battery operated and can float at the IN- potential of +/- 321V; the user is protected by the plastic case and the safety style sockets and test probes.
Of course it is not very safe to use an open shunt on the bench, you must observe safe operation in the area of such tests.
High-Side measurement requires consideration of the common-mode voltage, isolation and a carefully crafted solution – more on this later.
This blog will be available at element14 community.
Here are a few useful links to components at Farnell.
http://uk.farnell.com/avago-technol...ic-amp-isolation-8soic/dp/1854250?ost=1854250
http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instrum...dp/2082428?ost=ina149&categoryId=700000004305
http://uk.farnell.com/murata-power-solutions/3020-01098-0/shunt-50mv-20a/dp/1339338
electronics know-how blog
Current Sense Resistors.
