Vector motors

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aggieracer

Joined Dec 5, 2013
2
I am working on a project where we want to run at a large range of speeds.
.03ft/min to 600ft/min. The motor I have runs a 12.5" dia drive drum.

Right now I am able to run the 600ft/min at 62Hz but the low range is where I am running into problems. I am using a 1000:1 vector motor and allen bradley 755 drive. In order to run the .03ft/min with my 10:1 gear reduction I need a output frequency of .003Hz. Is this even possible with a drive?
Has anyone ever run this large of range without secondary gearing?
Here are my motor specs.
Specifications: ZDVSM3661T
SPEC. NUMBER:
06H928X181Z1
CATALOG NUMBER:
ZDVSM3661T
FL AMPS:
8.2/4.1
BEARING-DRIVE-END:
6206
BEARING-OPP-DRIVE-END:
6206
BLOWER-AMPS:
--
BLOWER-HERTZ:
--
BLOWER-PHASE:
--
BLOWER-VOLTS:
--
DESIGN CODE:
B
DOE-CODE:
010A
FL EFFICIENCY:
89.5
FRAME:
182TC
HERTZ:
60
INSULATION-CLASS:
F
MAGNETIZING-CURRENT:
4.2/2.1
MAXIMUM-RPM:
5400
SPEED [rpm]:
1755
OUTPUT [hp]:
3 TE
PHASE:
3
RATING:
40C AMB-CONT
ROTOR-INERTIA:
0.3
SERIAL-NUMBER:
--
SERVICE FACTOR:
1.00
SLIP-HERTZ:
1.5
VOLTAGE:
230/460

What does slip-hertz mean? Does this mean the motor will slip under 1.5Hz? This is below the 1000:1 ratio. Should I not get full torque at .06Hz?
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
28,702
I haven't looked at all the issues, motor and VFD details, but .003hz is asking too much from a VFD, particularly without feedback, slip herz is slip frequency, the difference between the applied frequency and the actual rpm, an induction motor can never run at synchronism, a slip frequency is going to occur in order for induction to occur.
Max.
 

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aggieracer

Joined Dec 5, 2013
2
Thanks max. I am running with encoder. 1024ppr.
Is it a good idea to never run below the slip frequency for motor startup?
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
6,798
.003Hz is one electrical cycle every 5.6 minutes. Even if your VFD were capable of this, I doubt there would be any resultant motor movement. I think you will need quite a few multi-speed gearboxes to achieve such a wide range of speeds.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
28,702
Thanks max. I am running with encoder. 1024ppr.
Is it a good idea to never run below the slip frequency for motor startup?
The slip or frequency difference is going to vary with load etc, e.g. a 60 hz induction motor, no VFD, at start up the slip freq. is naturally 60hz, and will decrease as the rotor catches up with the rotating field, with a VFD you have the option of programming the acceleration (maintain a lower slip freq).
As you may have found out, if you try to accell too fast (high slip freq), the VFD will trip the over current.
Max.
 
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