Where exactly did this happen?

I love how your ability to use Google fails you sometimes.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dakota-pipeline-destroy-native-sites/

Don't blast the source, there are dozens of other outlets covering the same topic in the same way.

 

Would it be in one of the ~150 eligible sites and locations they were questioned about for relevant significance and consideration yet never responded too?

As already stated in my post, it was a list of sites already submitted and waiting for Monday (quite a few Mondays ago) to get an injunction to protect them from bulldozing.

 

Excellent.

Remember, I didn't say that. President Kennedy said it, and he has already been killed.
And the brilliant man who out moved, out smarted, and out maneuvered the entire Secret Service was killed (in custody) before he could be questioned.

 

I love how your ability to use Google fails you sometimes.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dakota-pipeline-destroy-native-sites/

Don't blast the source, there are dozens of other outlets covering the same topic in the same way.

Server 500 error had me offline for a bit so I couldn't fix my post but the links I wanted to add are there now.

Anyway, From your own link.

“From where I stood along the road, I could see that a significant portion of the site we’d surveyed had been cleared. My son walked the length of the site and confirmed that the entire area that we had surveyed that week had been graded to a depth of more than a foot.”
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dakota-pipeline-destroy-native-sites/#ErMzCDl3Z41MfM3p.99

So they cleared ground that had been surveyed for the pipeline in the exact location the pipeline was going to run though anyway?

My god. what if I cut grass in my yard today where I intend to cut grass tomorrow?

I understand a little bit how these projects work and I tend to feel that th the pipeline authorities made significant efforts over rather long timelines to work with an honor everyone's wishes to the best of their abilities even those those who made the fuss were on multiple occasions found to have both never responded to requests to discuss their concern and in other cases actually signed agreement to allow the pipeline people to do what they did when and where they did it.

The cold hard documented and legally backed fact is the tribes were contracted many times about possible issues yet in many instances never responded to let alone showed up for meetings regarding them plus in a few cases where they did respond the actually signed agreements to allow access as I gave reference to multiple times now.

You and everyone else can fuss and whine and point out all the irrelevant and highly questionable whatever you think is proof of something all you want to be true but the reality is the pipeline is in and they aren't digging it up to change things.

My states oil can go to market making more money for us and that's good enough for me.

 

My states oil can go to market making more money for us and that's good enough for me.

I believe that is the whole story for you. Remember, the axe you don't have to grind?
Guess what...you won. And now you're here whining about the litter left behind.
What's worse than a hypocrite, a sore winner?

 

I love how your ability to use Google fails you sometimes.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dakota-pipeline-destroy-native-sites/

Don't blast the source, there are dozens of other outlets covering the same topic in the same way.

That clearly is a liberal site and it's sourcing other liberal sites and information, their just re-printing the same thing. To bulldoze a single rock is on the land they hold sacred is what we are really talking about.

kv

 

As already stated in my post, it was a list of sites already submitted and waiting for Monday (quite a few Mondays ago) to get an injunction to protect them from bulldozing.

I guess they probably should have shown up for some (at least one?) of the meetings regarding that sort of stuff in the 1 - 2 years they had earlier huh?

It's not like in the 1 - 2 years prior to those events the tribes didn't have people sitting around that they could have sent to every public pipeline meeting that was ever open to the public or them specifically.

Failure to act and communicate between themselves and the pipeline despite having been requested to do so many times over isn't the fault of the pipeline people nor is it their problem for going along as scheduled.

The fact is the project was made public around June 25 2014 some two years earlier where from that date dozens of publicly held discussions and general points of concern meetings were held all along the proposed pipelines route regarding every foot of that pipeline's would lay.
Yet the tribes despite having been given many documented requests for input on their own behalf regarding numerous possible points of potential concern (some near 150 of them) either signed off that they were good with them or said nothing.

June 25 2014 to well into late fall 2016 a two plus year timeline to act, participate and voice concern over every inch of that pipeline route yet they either said nothing didn't show up or even signed off that it was okay when they did. WTF does that say about them?

 

I believe that is the whole story for you. Remember, the axe you don't have to grind?
Guess what...you won. And now you're here whining about the litter left behind.
What's worse than a hypocrite, a sore winner?

Nope. They claimed to be all about the environment and protecting it yet made a mess that by every definition they wrote of what an environmental disaster consists of was and walked away. That was the whole start and point of this thread. That too many 'environmentalists' are bigger hypocrites than the people they harass over what actions they do ever were.

The rest was just pointing out that the story the liberal media and its followers of questionable intelligence keep screaming has a whole different and very telling second side to it.

Yea pipelines leak. No question or denial of it but unlike the environmental protesters fussing over this pipelines "future potential to possibly make a mess' (that if it do the owner will clean up and make right) the pipeline people clean up their frigging mess and do their best make things right by the law when one gets made deliberately, accidentally or otherwise.

That's the sad part of the whole issue I have a problem with and am pointing out . The 'Bad guys" in this are better at keeping the environment clean then the "good guys'.

The showing and bringing to light the rest of the rel proven facts of second and largely untalked about side to this whole story was just icing on my cake!

 

Remember, I didn't say that. President Kennedy said it, and he has already been killed.
And the brilliant man who out moved, out smarted, and out maneuvered the entire Secret Service was killed (in custody) before he could be questioned.

I meant to say, "Excellent find".

 

Nope. They claimed to be all about the environment and protecting it yet made a mess that by every definition they wrote of what an environmental disaster consists of was and walked away.

Do you have a reference to their broad claim. from what I can tell, their claim/goal was much narrower.

They claimed a need to protect their water from pipeline oil spills. They never claimed they wanted to protect all aspects of nature/environment from all of your possible theoretical and hypothetical possible injury. Got that?

 

This is beginning to feel like feeding a troll.
Maybe if I say it a little louder...

YOU WON. YOU CAN QUIT COMPLAINING NOW.

 

YOU WON. YOU CAN QUIT COMPLAINING NOW.

Where am I complaining about anything??

Is showing that how the whole story was spun and fed to the general public is very far from the reality behind it complaining?

Is showing the relevant and fact based behind the scenes events, actions and real work that were not make into a public stink complaining?

 

Do you have a reference to their broad claim. from what I can tell, their claim/goal was much narrower.

Just one of many you could find on line yourself if you bothered to look.

Why are Native Americans so against it?
Members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe see the pipeline as both an environmental and cultural threat to their homeland. They say an oil spill would permanently contaminate the reservation's water supply and that construction of the pipeline would destroy sacred sites where many of their ancestors are buried.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/da...ccess-pipeline-what-s-behind-protests-n676801

Seems pretty plausible to me that environmental concerns over the river being polluted were at the top of their things to do list.

However, Also likely.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/21/d...s-claim-tribe-simply-wants-a-cut-of-the-cash/

Then what did actually happen to them because of the protests. Cost themselves some $6 million, and counting, in reservation revenue and did create a valid variable threat to their own water supply. (oops. )

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/03/the-three-ironies-of-the-dakota-access-pipeline-protests/

Then by being general pains in the ass to the people who actually owned, and would have had fair legal backing for defending their concerns over tribal sacred sites, apparently got sick of the crap and sold their land to the highest bidder who was of course the pipeline so that they didn't have to be a part of it all.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/native-news/sacred-burial-ground-sold-to-dakota-access/

So.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10324/11-things-you-need-know-about-dakota-access-aaron-bandler#

Oops. I guess they had to get out. (Tribal councils even said quit whining and pack your stuff up and go.)

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/sta...cle_d9a979b4-ff2f-57a6-9950-e8eba7b3ae61.html

That's what!

 

Where am I complaining about anything??

In this Thread. Littering and hypocrites, not that I read all your posts. I might have missed some.

The last time I saw anybody work this hard to justify one side of the story and discredit the other, it was my ex describing how she tried to leave me divorced, bankrupt, and homeless, because I found out who her primary adultery partner was. She too believed she wasn't trying to convince anybody of anything and had no personal interest in the matter. She was just setting the record straight... for anybody that would listen...for at least a couple of years. After that, I successfully avoided contact with her and every person in her family. I had to get a restraining order and change my phone number because she had no interest in convincing me of anything.

I only want you to be less uncomfortable about the litter that was left after the MRAPs and missile launchers pulled out.
What's that? You aren't at all uncomfortable? You have no dog in this fight? It isn't even a fight?
You never complained about anything?

Ten years as a councilor seems to have left me unable to determine why people spend hours on several pages of posts with dozens of references. That behavior doesn't mean you are trying to convince anybody of anything and it doesn't mean you have any investment in the subject, personal, financial, or emotional. Just blogging about things you don't care about? And I can tell you don't care because...?

 

Yea pipelines leak. No question or denial of it but unlike the environmental protesters fussing over this pipelines "future potential to possibly make a mess' (that if it do the owner will clean up and make right) the pipeline people clean up their frigging mess and do their best make things right by the law when one gets made deliberately, accidentally or otherwise.

You can't clean up dead.
Deepwater Horizon explosion
Anchor handling tugs and platform supply vessels combat the fire on the Deepwater Horizon while the U.S. Coast Guard searches for missing crew.
Time 22:00 UTC-6
Deaths 11
Non-fatal injuries 17

 

Just one of many you could find on line yourself if you bothered to look.



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/da...ccess-pipeline-what-s-behind-protests-n676801

Seems pretty plausible to me that environmental concerns over the river being polluted were at the top of their things to do list.

However, Also likely.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/21/d...s-claim-tribe-simply-wants-a-cut-of-the-cash/

Then what did actually happen to them because of the protests. Cost themselves some $6 million, and counting, in reservation revenue and did create a valid variable threat to their own water supply. (oops. )

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/03/the-three-ironies-of-the-dakota-access-pipeline-protests/

Then by being general pains in the ass to the people who actually owned, and would have had fair legal backing for defending their concerns over tribal sacred sites, apparently got sick of the crap and sold their land to the highest bidder who was of course the pipeline so that they didn't have to be a part of it all.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/native-news/sacred-burial-ground-sold-to-dakota-access/

So.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10324/11-things-you-need-know-about-dakota-access-aaron-bandler#

Oops. I guess they had to get out. (Tribal councils even said quit whining and pack your stuff up and go.)

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/sta...cle_d9a979b4-ff2f-57a6-9950-e8eba7b3ae61.html

That's what!

Read your references closely, the general comments about the environment are commentary or summarized energized assumptions of the author. They are not quotes from the native Americans. The goals stated by the organizers were very specific and clear. Try again.

 

In just its first year, the Keystone 1 sprung 35 leaks, including a 21,000-gallon gusher at a North Dakota pump station. This spill was less than thirty miles from where the Keystone 1 is bored underneath the Missouri River. We should all consider ourselves fortunate that it didn’t happen there.”

http://time.com/4292856/south-dakota-oil-spill/

 

And I can tell you don't care because...?

It's cold, I'm bored and I found the topic its background and (a few of the threads participants) hypocrisy worth the time to unravel in front of everyone who found it worth watching and thinking about.

Mostly it was just because there was more to the story than what the dominant players in the media gave most everyone the impression of and to show it in any degree of detail it took more than 'a 140 character twitter post' or two.

You like everyone else can chose to believe or disbelieve whatever you want for whatever reason you want but the reality is if what you are believing has little solid factual basis no matter how many people agree with you and it that still does not in fact make it real and true.

I only want you to be less uncomfortable about the litter that was left after the MRAPs and missile launchers pulled out.
What's that? You aren't at all uncomfortable? You have no dog in this fight? It isn't even a fight?
You never complained about anything?

BTW the real reason they were using it there.

The North Dakota Army National Guard reportedly deployed an “anti-drone missile system” at the site of the Dakota Access oil pipeline on Tuesday.

North Dakota Guard spokesman William Prokopyk confirmed to The Daily Beast the presence of the Avenger missile system. He added that the system was put in place “strictly in the observation role.”

The Morton County Sheriff’s Department echoed Prokpyk’s statements, adding that the systems “are used strictly for observation of ungoverned encampments to help protect private property and maintain public safety,” according to The Daily Beast.

http://www.inforum.com/news/4201676...sile-launcher-deployed-near-dapl-protest-site

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/1...rone-system-at-oil-pipeline-protest-site.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ta-access-pipeline-to-observe-protestors.html

If you, me or anyone else uses a high power hunting rifle scope on an unloaded rifle to look at something in detail that cant be seen see with unaided eyes or even with common binoculares does that mean anything other than that was the most effective visual enhancement device they had at hand?

Context of intent and action means everything. Sometime someone looking through a big high powered scope on a high powered weapon is just someone looking through a high big powered scope. The weapon just happens to be what it's mounted to.

 

I guess it's just a part of a pipes job to leak once in a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
Bet the tax payers paid for some of these clean ups.

 

I should add.... I love pipelines as long as they aren't anywhere near me.