# The daily rant

#### Georacer

Joined Nov 25, 2009
5,182
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Greek universities are notorious for over-covering the student's needs for theoretical knowledge and lacking severely in applied knowledge.

In an effort to change my immediate environment more to my liking, I have started, with a friend of mine, an Electronics Club, withing the university boundaries.
We 've been operating for almost a year now, and numbers were sadly low. Only 3 members out of a 1000+ student base attend the weekly meetings and pursue a project.

So, last week, we tried something different. I posted a poll on Facebook and the busy school forum with 6 possible lecture subjects. 3 practical (sensor calibration etc) and 3 purely theoretical.

70 people in total voted for a week. 32 declared that they preferred "The life of a project: from the idea to the product". Too theoretical for my liking, but okay, that's what the people want.

I sit for 7 hours, writing a 2000 word, half hour lecture, with a 30 slide accompanying presentation and even rehearse it.

Do you know how many people showed up? 0. 0! ZERO!
Except for the 3 people that came to continue building their project and didn't need to listen to it anyway.

I really cannot understand how an EE student doesn't want to get involved in projects and designing/building procedures. I 'm starting to feel resentment and irritation towards my university environment and I include the whole of it, both students, professors and other involved members.
Of course there are exceptions and I 'm glad I know them, but they can't compensate.

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#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Many of these are kids still just kids. Theres a reason there calling our upcoming graduates the dumbest generation to have ever lived. Really your results don't surprise me. Many university kids are their to goto school in the day and party all night. Realize you have a love for electronics, they just want to learn if for a job so long as it doesn't interfere with happy hour. You'll be a better employee because of it.

#### mcgyvr

Joined Oct 15, 2009
5,394
Greek universities are notorious for over-covering the student's needs for theoretical knowledge and lacking severely in applied knowledge.
Change "Greek" to "ALL"

The University system all over the world is like that. "Again" reminds me of this.. Supposed MIT graduates can't even light up a light bulb given a bulb/single piece of wire and a battery.
Real or fake I'm not sure.. But no matter what is far more real than fake as a whole. Some companies won't even look at new graduates as we know they might be "book smart" but "common sense/real world knowledge" is usually lacking.

#### loosewire

Joined Apr 25, 2008
1,686
They are there to sit in class,get there paper from the professor and move on.

Also go to the A.A.C. to ask there questions in a rush,good work Geo,give up.

#### tshuck

Joined Oct 18, 2012
3,534
I sit for 7 hours, writing a 2000 word, half hour lecture, with a 30 slide accompanying presentation and even rehearse it.

Do you know how many people showed up? 0. 0! ZERO!
Except for the 3 people that came to continue building their project and didn't need to listen to it anyway.
That sucks, I'm sorry to hear it. It's good to know, at least, some people that actually care.

I felt very similar, Geo. I remember I had mentioned soldering in casual conversation and the person I was talking to said, "What's that?". I spent the rest of the afternoon asking my peers if they knew what it was. Most of them knew what it was, but had never done it. The exception were a few of the more enthusiastic people that taught themselves in order to make their own projects outside of school.

I went to a school who's mantra was, "Learn by doing". We had to apply the theory in an associated lab. Instead of, "This is Verilog/VHDL", we had, "Go make a fuzzy logic controller implemented in a FPGA". It was hard work, but when I compare the practical knowledge I got from school versus a friend that went to another school, well, simply knowing what a FPGA is and how to use it is an advantage.

It seems like some people are only in the field because they hear that we are paid well...
I have a cousin that decided that he wanted to be an EE, after I finished my BS, and kept asking me things like , "How much money do you make?" and "How much work do you have to do in a typical day?". The fact is, he's lazy and doesn't care about EE, he just wants to make a lot of money. I recommended he go for a business degree

#### Georacer

Joined Nov 25, 2009
5,182
...and have him later as a supervising director. Sigh.

On the flip side, I 'm seeing a lot of new, small companies doing medium level UAV work and this gets my spirits high.

#### tshuck

Joined Oct 18, 2012
3,534
...and have him later as a supervising director. Sigh.
That's the way it works...
On the flip side, I 'm seeing a lot of new, small companies doing medium level UAV work and this gets my spirits high.
Actually, one of the exceptions I was referring to ended up going to work for one of these companies!

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Tschuck your friend made a bad call. Recently of the top degrees, engineering was ranked lowest paid vs highest amount of education needed + It was also ranked as the highest degree you will have to do extra work to do. So to become a Dr. You'll make X amount for X years in school, and in school you will spend + 20 hours a week studying or reading. Engineering Had the lowest pay, vs longest schooling, and the highest homework of all degree's. I think this is because as I learned a while ago some people with all the schooling in the world will just never get it. And there is so much too learn you could spend a lifetime studying and still not know 50% of it.

#### amilton542

Joined Nov 13, 2010
497
I really cannot understand how an EE student doesn't want to get involved in projects and designing/building procedures.
Well, in my case, there are a number of reasons.

Firstly, there's basically no money in the "pot" where I go. If a student is to conceive a project of some sort it will more or less come out of their own pocket. The amount of times I've been told I'm "crazy" for the money I've spent on projects is unreal.

Secondly, a lot of students in my group are only interested in the managerial side of the coin to a project. Thus, because of the nomenclature "project management," it's immaterial if one decides to build such. Not that I entirely agree with this. As far as I'm concerned, a design and build seperates the men from the boys; in other words can you engineer or not?

Finally, a lot of students on my course are work placements. They've got a job, all they have to do is pass with minimum effort and in return they get to keep their job. They're earnin' money, that's all they care about. Hardly enthusiastic about the discipline to say the least.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
...and have him later as a supervising director. Sigh.

On the flip side, I 'm seeing a lot of new, small companies doing medium level UAV work and this gets my spirits high.
Unfortunately from what I've researched its pretty much a flooded market now, especially with the small and medium UAV's. Its gotten to be like electronics recycling. People with money saw it coming and jumped the gun.

#### tshuck

Joined Oct 18, 2012
3,534
Tschuck your friend made a bad call. Recently of the top degrees, engineering was ranked lowest paid vs highest amount of education needed + It was also ranked as the highest degree you will have to do extra work to do.
Getting paid to do something you love while still in the top highest paid professions doesn't sound like a bad deal to me

#### thatoneguy

Joined Feb 19, 2009
6,359
Translate it into English and post it here. There would be some interest based on threads in the past few months.

Though it may be property of the school/employer, in which case, don't.

#### Georacer

Joined Nov 25, 2009
5,182
It's my property entirely and even if one asks for it in order to learn, which was the intended case, I 'll translate it.

But you have to come up with a good place to mount it.

#### Sparky49

Joined Jul 16, 2011
833

I thought it was only in my school that I cared about electronics, but to hear that even at uni there are lots of people who don't care about it is saddening.

Why electronics? Why not just go and do another subject?

Why would someone go to uni with no passion for the subject? I'm getting geared up already to start doing research for a final year project (out of this world).

Hmmf.

sparky

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Because many western kids have everything paid for and are just going thru the motions to get a job from their dad or dads partner when they graduate. The ones actually going at it alone with no parental support will be the ones you see in the library all the time, studying off campus, etc because they know they gotta be better then the mng'ers kid to get the job. In FL being a self made man means you goto HS and get a new mustang when you turn 16. Then Dad sets you up in a house or condo where you school is for 4 years so you pay no rent or bills. Then you graduate and take that job offer from pops or he gives you $200k to start your new firm. Bang your a self made successful Floridian. #### spinnaker Joined Oct 29, 2009 7,830 Promise naked women and free beer at your next meeting and i guarantee people will show up. Heck I'll fly out to attend your meeting Greek women are hot (you are so lucky ). #### maxpower097 Joined Feb 20, 2009 816 Promise naked women and free beer at your next meeting and i guarantee people will show up. Heck I'll fly out to attend your meeting Greek women are hot (you are so lucky ). Don't forget some greased up roid head for Happy! #### JoeJester Joined Apr 26, 2005 4,390 Georacer, Have you thought about putting it on YouTube? I think it would be worth the effort that you expended. On youtube you could have both the english and greek versions. I don't know about Greek copywrite law, but in the U.S. it's typically Copywrite (c) 2013, Georacer All Rights Reserved. #### maxpower097 Joined Feb 20, 2009 816 HAAHHAHHAHAH I made that mistake my first commercial magazine I made. I thought it was copywrite too. Its actually Copyright (c) 2012 GEORACER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED WorldWide! * I also forgot to pagenate the book, used 100 100 100 for black, and found like 10 more misspellings. Everyones gotta start somewhere.. #### Metalmann Joined Dec 8, 2012 703 Because many western kids have everything paid for and are just going thru the motions to get a job from their dad or dads partner when they graduate. The ones actually going at it alone with no parental support will be the ones you see in the library all the time, studying off campus, etc because they know they gotta be better then the mng'ers kid to get the job. In FL being a self made man means you goto HS and get a new mustang when you turn 16. Then Dad sets you up in a house or condo where you school is for 4 years so you pay no rent or bills. Then you graduate and take that job offer from pops or he gives you$200k to start your new firm. Bang your a self made successful Floridian.

Yes, I've seen that happen. Not just in Florida.