# telescopic opamp input level

#### manissri

Joined Jan 23, 2006
10
hi all
why telescopin opamp has the input common mode level and out put common mode level is not same.
suppose the supply range is 0- 5 volts then the input common mode can not be 2.5v. and the output common mode level is at 2.5v.
where as in folded cascode the input common mode level and output common mode level can be at 2.5 volt for both input and output.
plz explain.
regrds
manish

#### chesart1

Joined Jan 23, 2006
269
Originally posted by manissri@Jan 27 2006, 07:35 AM
hi all
why telescopin opamp has the input common mode level and out put common mode level is not same.
suppose the supply range is 0- 5 volts then the input common mode can not be 2.5v. and the output common mode level is at 2.5v.
where as in folded cascode the input common mode level and output common mode level can be at 2.5 volt for both input and output.
plz explain.
regrds
manish
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#### chesart1

Joined Jan 23, 2006
269
Hi,

In the ideal world, an op amp with two inputs v1 and v2 and a differential gain ad will have a output signal vo as follows:

However in the practical world the output is not only dependent on the difference between v1 and v2. The output is also dependent on the common mode voltage. The common mode voltage vc is calculated as follows.

vc = 0.5(v1+v2)

For example, if v1 = 1 uvolt and v2 = -1 uvolt, the output will not be the exact same as if v1 = 100 uvolts and v2 = 200 uvolts even though the difference voltage is still 2 uvolts.

The common mode rejection ratio cmrr is:
where ac is the common mode gain and ad is the differential gain.

The differential voltage vd is
vd = v1-v2

The actual v1 is
v1 = vc + 0.5*vd

and v2 is
v2 = vc - 0.5*vd

The output voltage vo is