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I - too - call BS on this. However, your balloon analogy - sound as it seems - the buoyancy may be ever so slightly altered that it would be nearly impossible to perceive (from a human vision point of view) where the balloon would gain or lose mass.The balloon neither sinks nor rises.
In physics, a PHONON is a collective excitation in a periodic, elastic arrangement of atoms or molecules in condensed matter, specifically in solids and some liquids.PHONONS ? ? ? LMAO!
Sound will not travel through a vacuum. If there WERE mass then sound WOULD travel through a vacuum.
Measuring (not using math to justify your findings) measuring the gravity fluctuation of a sound wave only means that as a sound wave compresses the air molecules - it stands to reason the increased density of air molecules would hold a higher gravitational equivalency.
Sorry, I just don't see how sound can carry mass. Otherwise by now the back window of my car should be coated with sublime'd speaker cone material.
In any closed system, detecting an outflow of mass might be challenging but is very doable. Of course that would prove it wasn’t as closed as was thought. But these guys seem to be claiming that for sound to leave the closed system, a little mass has to go with it. That’s not a hard hypothesis to test. Maybe I’m misreading the implications of their claim.I - too - call BS on this. However, your balloon analogy - sound as it seems - the buoyancy may be ever so slightly altered that it would be nearly impossible to perceive (from a human vision point of view) where the balloon would gain or lose mass.
There was an experiment done many years ago attempting to prove humans had a soul that left the body at the time of death. They put dying patients on a bed and carefully set a scale to neutrally balance out his weight. IF a soul should leave his body then the scale should become unbalanced and trip a signal. Recording the moment of the scale tipping was supposed to identify both that a soul had left the person AND register the time of his spiritual death. Results were never conclusive. Interesting theory though. But it's as likely as growing spaghetti on a tree.
The physics of sound waves is quite different from that of light waves, but -- as both carry energy in their respective fields -- there must be an associated mass with each.On the notion of Phonic Mass, if it is true then wouldn't the same be (or similar to) true of electromagnetic waves?
The speed of light isn't invariant; the speed limit is.IThere's another theory of the speed of light - that it's unchanging. Yet we KNOW it slows down when passing through a lens or through a glass of water. So light speed DOES change.
Like all waves, sound needs a field -- physical "stuff" with certain properties -- in which to travel. Space is mostly devoid of the stuff sound needs, though it does have the electromagnetic field for light to travel.So I have to ask: If PM carries mass then wouldn't it pass through space?
Yup. That's the point at which I stopped reading the article. If they'd said, instead, that "their mathematical models suggested it should happen" I would have gone on; but they didn't.Haha I love this bit: "Importantly, the researchers did not actually measure mass being carried by a sound wave—they used math to prove it happens"
Well, I did also get a laugh out of this bit:I only read all the way through because it was a short enough read. And I was interested to see if they said anything else that might have made me laugh.
And using grade-school math and common sense, according to their theory that same 1 watt sound wave would therefore move about 8.6 grams over the course of a day (1 day = 86,400 seconds)-- more than enough mass to measure.Using effective field theory, they showed that a single-watt sound wave that moved for one second in water would carry with it a mass of approximately 0.1 milligrams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhononSorry, I've never heard of "Phonons" before. It just struck me silly - non-seriousness.
Remember the movie "Avitar"? Scientists were in search of the rarest element of all, known as "Unobtainium". Now THAT is just plain silly!
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