Sine wave multiplication

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  1. geft

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    A radio receiver is designed using a band-pass filter with frequency centered on 455kHz. It can be tuned to different stations by multiplying the incoming signal by a sine wave of correctly chosen frequency. The incoming signal is a 600kHz sine wave. What must be the frequency of the multiplying sine wave to make the signal pass through the filter?

    All I have is a trigonometric identity. I'm confused. How do I even multiply sine waves?
     
  2. MrChips

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    You have two choices, 600-455 kHz or 600+455 kHz, take your pick.
    In mathematics x = A1*sin(w1*t) * A2*sin(w2*t)
    In electronics v = v1*v2 using a transconductance amplifier or something similar.
     
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  3. geft

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    Thanks, but could you please elaborate on the concept? How does adding or subtracting a frequency make the sine wave pass through the filter?
     
  4. MrChips

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    When you multiply two sine waves, you end up with the sum and difference frequencies.

    sin(at)*cos(bt) = [sin(a-b)t + sin(a+b)t]/2

    sin(at)*sin(bt) = [cos(a-b)t - cos(a+b)t]/2


    So if the input frequency is 600KHz and the local oscillator frequency is 1055kHz, you end up with 455kHz and 1655kHz. Your IF filter is tuned to 455kHz and so you reject the 1655kHz signal. (IF stands for Intermediate Frequency).

    Check this link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver
     
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  5. lopoditi

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    the multiplying sine wave should be 145 kHz
     
  6. Georacer

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    @lopoditi

    Here in Homework Help forum, the main goal is to educate the inquirer, not give him a plain result as an answer. If you feel you can contribute, please explain the reasoning behind your answers, and if possible don't give the OP the answer before he tries a bit himself, after he is being given a hint or two.

    Thank you.
     
  7. Papabravo

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    It could be but it doesn't have to be because the solutions to the problem are NOT unique. When you use the lower frequency (145 kHz), the sum and the difference are closer together requiring a filter with steeper skirts. When you use the higher frequency (1055 kHz), the sum and the difference are further apart which makes the filtering easier.
     
  8. carmech

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    please explain this multiplying 2 difference frequencies by drawing 2 freqs one on top
    of each other and make notes in the waves that contribute to the resulting frequencies
    and show the resulting, GIVE US A VISUAL.

    update thread
     
  9. Wendy

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    I am approving this post But I don't think you are going to get very far on a 6 year old thread demanding answers
     
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  10. Papabravo

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    You can do this quire easily in Matlab, or one of the free alternatives like Octave or Scilab. Multiply two sinewaves together and plot over several cycles of the lower frequency. You can even do this in Excel or LibreOffice spreadsheet.
     
  11. WBahn

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    This appears to be homework -- so the first step is to show your best attempt to get as far as you can. That gives us a starting point for further discussion.
     
  12. shteii01

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    That is the job of your instructor.
     
  13. MrAl

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    Hi,

    I have a feeling that was a question being asked of you. You probably should use some kind of software to help plot this, but i dont know what you have done so far like this. It's best to show your attempt first as others have pointed out.
     
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