Problem with heatsink C/W calculation?

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Porkchop

Joined Feb 5, 2007
17
I seem to get a odd result? :confused:

Here is what im doing

θsa = (Tj - Ta) / Q - (θjc + θcs)

So for my rectifier it follows

(150 - 50) / 8.4W - (1.5 + .09) = 10.31 C/W min ok fine

now another

(125 - 50) / 50W - (4 + .09 + .8) = -2.89 C/W :confused:

I keep getting negative numbers?

Does this mean i have no chance of keeping the junction temp below <125oC of this T0220 package?

Cheers peeps
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
12,765
Where did the number 4 and the 0.8 come from. It would help if you would explain what you are trying to do and then applied the equation consistently changing only one thing at a time.
 

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Porkchop

Joined Feb 5, 2007
17
The first equation is a working example

The second is for a different component.



(4 + .09 + .8)

That part is (θjc + θcs)

Since this is a diffrent component the datasheet specifies a junction to case C/W of 4 the .09 and .8 is my mica washer and grease mounting resistances.
 

n9352527

Joined Oct 14, 2005
1,198
That is exactly what it means. You have no chance of getting the component at 125degC with 50W of power dissipation. If you notice, the junction to case is already 4degC/W, with 50W and case temperature of 50degC (assuming zero case to air thermal resistance), this would give you minimum 200degC junction temperature. Add to that the washer, grease and heatsink to air thermal resistance, then you are looking at way more than 200degC.

BTW, what kind of device and circuit that you have in mind? 50W dissipated power is high for TO220.
 

Thread Starter

Porkchop

Joined Feb 5, 2007
17
Its a LM338 Reg i was originally using a TO3 package with a 1.5 C/W but in order to make room i moved to the TO220 package so the IC could sit on the edge of the pcb at right angles.

With the TO3 i had it flat on the pcb which also nab 60% of the area for the components.


Its just what i feared :( darn

Cheers bud
 

thingmaker3

Joined May 16, 2005
5,084
There's no rule that says a TO3 has to lie flat. I've seen several applications with TO3 regulators mounted vertically. There are different varieties of heat sink available for TO3 vertical mounting as well.
 

Thread Starter

Porkchop

Joined Feb 5, 2007
17
Is there anything that can be cliped on the pins ? or do i have to solder and heat shrink wire?

Just seems a bit ghetto looking.

Can anyone show me a piccy of a pro install using a TO3 package id be interested in how the wiring looks :)
 

Thread Starter

Porkchop

Joined Feb 5, 2007
17
Cheers for the help !

I finally got one of those connectors for the TO3 its great!

I have another question about the heat sink resistance calculation.

How do you account for air flow say from a fan in the formula?

Forced convection cooling

What do i need to know please ?

Could some one point me in the right direction please :)
 

n9352527

Joined Oct 14, 2005
1,198
Unless the heatsink manufacturer give a figure for forced convection, then you are out of luck. You could measure it, but you would need to be equipped for that.

Or you could guess and lower the thermal resistance a bit and have a go with a constant maximum load and see the temperature.
 
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