# Power in a balanced 3 phase system

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1. ### p75213 Thread Starter Active Member

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See attached for problem.
Part a) of the question asks to find the complex power of the combined load. Following is my attempt at the answer.

1. Find complex power for load 1.
S1=$\frac{|Vl|^{2}\sqrt{3}}{Z^{*}}$
S1=$\frac{840^{2}\sqrt{3}}{30-j40}$
S1=14.665+j19.554kVA

2. Find complex power for load 2.
S2=P+jQ
S2=48+j48tan36.87
S2=48+j36kVA

3. Total Complex Power
S=S1+S2
S=62.665+j55.554kVA

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2. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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Perhaps I'm half asleep. I fail to understand how two lagging pf loads produce a combined leading complex power. I believe the solution is incorrect.

3. ### p75213 Thread Starter Active Member

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The correct answer is - according to the book - 56.47+j47.29kVA. I thought that was lagging.

4. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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The book is wrong - only for part (a). Your method for finding the complex power is incorrect.

5. ### p75213 Thread Starter Active Member

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Ok - Can you show the workings for the correct answer?

6. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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The complex power for load 1 is

S1=|Vline|^2/(30+j40)

The complex power for the motor is

48-j36 kVa

Sum=56.47-j47.29 kVa

7. ### p75213 Thread Starter Active Member

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So the formula is S=VI?
The book shows the total complex power as 3VpIp* or √3VlIl*.
Vp=Phase Voltage
Ip=Phase Current
Vl=Line Voltage
Il=Line Current.

I'm confused.

8. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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I'll use the method I'm familiar with.

For the Y connected load 1.

Vp=Vl / √3
Il=Vp/Z
Stot=3*Vp*Il=3*(Vl/√3)*(Vl/√3)/Z=|Vl|^2/Z

9. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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I've never seen the use of the complex conjugate term in the context of complex power calculations. Perhaps something different is meant by the term than what I would regard as conventional. Are we talking about what is often referred to as apparent power?
S=P+jQ ....?

10. ### t_n_k AAC Fanatic!

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Actually I lie. I've seen this before. I've actually posted on the matter in another thread. The form you use is correct. My apologies.

11. ### p75213 Thread Starter Active Member

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I can see my error now.
The load on load1 is per phase but the voltage is line voltage. Therefore convert line voltage to phase voltage to get the complex power. The formula then becomes 3VpIp* or (3|Vp|^2)/Z*.

Thanks for helping me sort that out t_n_k