need help on tone control

jimkeith

Joined Oct 26, 2011
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The way it is implemented here will not work well--the capacitor will have no effect until the series resistor is close to zero, at which time the amplifier probably goes into current limit attempting to charge /discharge the capacitor this limiting the slew rate.

What I recommend is that you study the traditional tube-type guitar amp circuit and adapt it to your op amp circuit--perhaps scale down the resistances to make it more compatible and /or feed the tone control output into another high input impedance voltage follower. Most guitar tone controls have been standardized to the following circuit--they tend to be tricky to understand and defy modification as there are so many interacting variables--been there--done that.

Check out this web page: http://drtube.com/guitamp.htm

This schem is typical: http://drtube.com/schematics/fender/bassman100.gif
 

Adjuster

Joined Dec 26, 2010
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If you simply want to get your crude treble cut working better than at present, insert a resistor of say a few kΩ to 10kΩ in series with the feed into the top of the tone pot. This will give the op-amp a more reasonable load to drive. The volume pot should remain tied to the top of the tone pot, so that only the op-amp output and the diodes see the extra resistance.

Having said that, your present circuit output comes straight from a 100k pot, which will give a high and variable output impedance. Level and tone may be affected by external loading. I would agree with the last poster that including a buffer would give a better output, and would leave you free to have a more flexible tone control.
 

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EarlAnderson

Joined Nov 13, 2011
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If you simply want to get your crude treble cut working better than at present, insert a resistor of say a few kΩ to 10kΩ in series with the feed into the top of the tone pot. This will give the op-amp a more reasonable load to drive. The volume pot should remain tied to the top of the tone pot, so that only the op-amp output and the diodes see the extra resistance.

Having said that, your present circuit output comes straight from a 100k pot, which will give a high and variable output impedance. Level and tone may be affected by external loading. I would agree with the last poster that including a buffer would give a better output, and would leave you free to have a more flexible tone control.
Okay i put a buffer on the output of the tone control. will the attached circuit work:
 

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Adjuster

Joined Dec 26, 2010
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No, that is not likely to work well: as has been explained to you by jimkeith, when the tone control resistance is turned to zero, the capacitor will be directly in parallel with the first operational amplifier output.

This is not a very reasonable load for the op-amp, and the low output impedance will result in a very fierce control action, all at one end of the control, as you have seen.

At the very least, a series resistor is required after the first amplifier.
 

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EarlAnderson

Joined Nov 13, 2011
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No, that is not likely to work well: as has been explained to you by jimkeith, when the tone control resistance is turned to zero, the capacitor will be directly in parallel with the first operational amplifier output.

This is not a very reasonable load for the op-amp, and the low output impedance will result in a very fierce control action, all at one end of the control, as you have seen.

At the very least, a series resistor is required after the first amplifier.
Okay here is what i have come up with (schematic attached below). this circuit has fixed high and low cut filters. the out put from each filter is mixed together with the 100K pot. I shouldn't have any problems here, because as i turn the pot, i'm not altering the values of any of the filters, but rather mixing the output of both filters. i might have the values of the filters a little off wack, but i should have it debugged in no time
 

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