# ltspice, average power, again

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by bug13, Jun 24, 2014.

1. ### bug13 Thread Starter Senior Member

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Hi guys,

I want to get the average power of a capacitor (C1) in this circuit, but I got positive and negative power here by Ctrl + Left Click.

Is there a way to get absolute power like this?

my circuit is attached.

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2. ### Billy4184 Member

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Do you mean you want the cumulative total (integral)?

3. ### ScottWang Moderator

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I was used the version 4.20j, but i can't open the file directly, when i running the LTspice IV, and open the file zvs.asc, it was lost two mosfets on the circuit.

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5. ### bug13 Thread Starter Senior Member

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I am not sure what I want is the same thing you suggested. Let me try to explain it here: in my graph, image all the negative power is flipped over to positive along the zero line, and I want the average power of that(after negative power is flipped to positive)

Edit:

Assuming all power is positive, so I want the true power dissipation of the cap (c1), am I right here?

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6. ### bug13 Thread Starter Senior Member

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I think my MOSFET is a third party lib, but what MOSFETs are used here is not important, you can add two compatible one and it should work.

7. ### bug13 Thread Starter Senior Member

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I think power is positive only? I just assume the negative power shows in my graph is for mathematics reason?

I am sure the cap (c1) consume more power than 2.3W? Because the circuit I built blow up the cap (c1), due to over heat. And I am using a very BIG (size of a thumb) thin film cap.

Or is there something i don't know?

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8. ### Alec_t AAC Fanatic!

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The polarity reflects whether the cap is a source or a sink for the power.
Did you set the Equivalent Series Resistor (ESR) property of the cap model to a non-zero value? In a real cap it is the ESR which dissipates power and can cause over-heating.

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9. ### crutschow Expert

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An ideal capacitor dissipates zero real power. If you don't have a series resistance in the capacitor model then the power you are seeing appears to be round-off error in the LTspice calculations. If you reduce the Maximum Timestep in the Transient Simulation Command to say 10ns (which increases the simulation time) you should see a reduction in the calculated Average Power.

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10. ### bug13 Thread Starter Senior Member

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Thanks again Alec_t and crustchow, now I understand, thanks a lot!