Logic Level Mosfet Switch - fail

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mndless

Joined Jun 1, 2011
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There is something I am failing to understand properly.

The objective is to use a 3.3V microcontroller to switch a gang of LED's that needs 9V...

I first used a 2N7000TA mosfet and could not get more than about 2.5V out of the Source... so... did some more research and decided that maybe the gate threshold on that mosfet was too high..

Determined that I needed to be using something more in line with a Logic Level Mosfet... so, I plugged in a PSMN022 Logic Level Mosfet... as shown in the attached picture....




the ciruit is this... just replace the NPN graphic with a mosfet...



No real change in the output voltage... I know I must be missing something simple and obvious...

Any and all input and direction would be greatly appreciated....
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
21,225
What would you expect from a guy who can't even find the correct symbol for his schematic. There was a time when we could draw any symbol we could imagine.
 

ErnieM

Joined Apr 24, 2011
8,377
Take a peek at Figure 1. On-Region Characteristics for the 2N7000 and show me where you are operating, keeping in mind that curve is typical and not guaranteed. (Translation: logic level FETs are usually for 5V logic, not 3.3V).

Now the IRLZ44N tracecom looks a little better down at that level: It's curve indicates it should handle 10 amps (hopefully an overkill) when driven by just (again, typically) 3V.
 

bretm

Joined Feb 6, 2012
152
But since it's an N-MOSFET it should be used as a low-side switch. You have 3.3V at the gate, but 2.5V at the source, so there's only 0.8V Vgs.

Connect the source to GND, and put the LEDs between Vcc and the drain. Then Vgs will be the full 3.3V.
 

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mndless

Joined Jun 1, 2011
8
What would you expect from a guy who can't even find the correct symbol for his schematic. There was a time when we could draw any symbol we could imagine.
Papabravo, here you go my friend... this should help...

To the rest, thanks for taking the time to have a look... looks like just keeping the mosfet on the low side should be simple...

Thanks again, great help.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
21,225
Papabravo, here you go my friend... this should help...

To the rest, thanks for taking the time to have a look... looks like just keeping the mosfet on the low side should be simple...

Thanks again, great help.
CAD tools don't always allow us to rapidly express our intent. People in a hurry tend to take shortcuts. Learning the discipline of Engineering teaches us that taking shortcuts often leads to disasters of monumental proportions. Using an NPN symbol for a FET creates the negative impression. Nothing I say or don't say can change that.

I am quite well satisfied with the state of my mental health, so no thanks for the impertinent suggestion. I think I'll take a pass on that one.
 

Thread Starter

mndless

Joined Jun 1, 2011
8
I knew a thoughtful response was in there somewhere...

For the record, I'm a 50 year old Structural Engineer, .. I'm not an electrical guy. That is why I asked a question on this forum, looking for some input from the crew much more versed in things elecrtical than I....

as stated in my initial post, "Please ignore the graphic for the NPN..." guess you didn't take the time to read carefully or as I suspect, when given the choise of posting a thoughtful and helpful reply or one that is snarky and disrespectful, you opt for the later... hense my link ... I think you should spend some time there doing some reading...


Thanks again for taking the time to type out a reply!!
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
21,225
I knew a thoughtful response was in there somewhere...

For the record, I'm a 50 year old Structural Engineer, .. I'm not an electrical guy. That is why I asked a question on this forum, looking for some input from the crew much more versed in things elecrtical than I....

as stated in my initial post, "Please ignore the graphic for the NPN..." guess you didn't take the time to read carefully or as I suspect, when given the choise of posting a thoughtful and helpful reply or one that is snarky and disrespectful, you opt for the later... hense my link ... I think you should spend some time there doing some reading...


Thanks again for taking the time to type out a reply!!
You have me all wrong. I much prefer snarky and disrespectful. BTW imprecision in structural engineering has profoundly negative consequences as I'm sure you are aware. I would expect you to know better, and I'm surprised at your apparent lack of seriousness.
 

Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
7,063
2N7000 is not guaranteed to have low ON resistance at Vgs=3.3V. It is only specified down to Vgs=4.5V. The worst case threshold voltage @ Ids=1mA is 3.0V.
 
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