# LC filter can by as 10KOhm resistance?

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by levnu, Oct 16, 2011.

1. ### levnu Thread Starter New Member

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Hi to all

is it possible to replace 10KOhm resistor w LC parallel or serial filter or any filter
that will be the same as if this 10 KOhm resistor?

i'm using 10KOhmic res and i would like to achive the same effect w/o using resistance that brings me loses!!!
but using filter at 15MHz freq

Thanks a lot,
Arye

2. ### MrChips Moderator

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You can calculate the reactance of L and C as follows:

$X_L= 2\pi fL$

$X_C= \frac{-1}{2\pi fC}$

For a tuned parallel LC circuit, the resonant frequency f is given by:

$f= \frac{1}{2\pi sqrt{LC}}$

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3. ### levnu Thread Starter New Member

Mar 30, 2011
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Ok this one i know
but when i connecting it instaed of 10KOhm resistance it doesn't have the same stoping effect.. why ??
when i'm in resonance what impedance is equal in such case ?
and is it the same effect as 10KOhm?

Thanks

4. ### MrChips Moderator

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Looks like you will need 0.56pF and 200uH.

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The resonant impedance would depend on the reactance of the components, and the Q-factor: information which we do not have.

For instance if C=50pF, at 15MHz Xc = 212Ω, and for a Q of 50 you would expect a parallel equivalent resistance at resonance of 10.6kΩ

But we don't know your circuit values.

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Is that meant to be a joke? The OP may take it literally and go looking for a 560fF capacitor. He may be unaware that a real-world 200μH inductor could have parasitic capacitances greater than this value.

Edit: A few μH would be more realistic, the optimum value depending somewhat on how good a Q could be obtained, and how much parasitic capacitance you have to contend with.

At 15Mhz, don't expect miracles on the Q front. You might get past 10kΩ, just have to try it and see.

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7. ### levnu Thread Starter New Member

Mar 30, 2011
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i'm using 0.7uH and 200pF what do you think about that,
it's important for me to use low inductance..

Thanks again,
Arye

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I think that with an inductance as low as this, the resonant impedance may be fairly low. At 15mHz XL = 2πfL = 66Ω.

Achieving a resonant parallel resistance of 10kΩ would require a Q of 152. I'm not sure if you can get that at 15MHz.

9. ### MrChips Moderator

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Just checking to see how many folks pay attention to details or if they're even awake when they surf this forum.

10. ### levnu Thread Starter New Member

Mar 30, 2011
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does it means there is no way or other filter w higher order that i could achive this impedance? or ohmic resistance that i still dono if its the same in this situation..... 10Kohm resistance or 10 Kohm impedance does it mean the same in my situation?

Arye

11. ### Papabravo Expert

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You could only achieve the same impedance as the resistance at a single frequency. The 10K resistor is not dependent on frequency until you get to VHF and above where parasitics start to become significant.