# Integrator op amp-derivation help

Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by u-will-neva-no, Apr 2, 2012.

1. ### u-will-neva-no Thread Starter Member

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Hey everyone, I have attached the question and solution to this problem but do not arrive at the same solution. My problem is that I do not know how to use the $Ib_2$ current so my approach was just to say that another current would flow through the capacitor and that is equal to the current flowing through the resistor:

$I_r_e_s = I_c_a_p$

$\frac{v_i - 0}{R} = -c\frac{dV_o}{dt}$

$-\frac{v_o}{RC} = \frac{dv_o}{dt}$
$V_o(t) = -\frac{1}{RC} \int^t_0 V_i(t) + V_o(0)$

so $V_o(t) = -\frac{1}{RC} \int^t_0 V_i(t)$

Any advice why the above is not applicable to this question and how I should go about it? Thanks!

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2. ### Ron H AAC Fanatic!

Apr 14, 2005
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Ib2 does not flow in the integrator circuit, so it is a red herring.
You have totally ignored Ib1, which is in the integrator circuit. Therefore, Ires≠Icap.

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3. ### u-will-neva-no Thread Starter Member

Mar 22, 2011
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Hey Ron, thanks for the reply. So Ib1 = Icap?

4. ### Ron H AAC Fanatic!

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You're not thinking this out. Use KCL.

5. ### u-will-neva-no Thread Starter Member

Mar 22, 2011
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Okay I think its Ires= Ic1+Icap but I have always learnt that a current flowing into the inverting op-amp is 0; thus Ic1=0 (ideally). This results in what I had previously using KCL..

6. ### Ron H AAC Fanatic!

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THe key word here is "ideally". Not all real-world op amps have insignificant input bias current. I do think this is a poorly formulated question, because you still have to assume that open loop gain=∞ and input offset voltage=0 in order to solve it. If the op amp is not ideal, then all parameters that are relevant to the problem should be listed, IMHO.