How can I sell my knowledge/and get job if I am from Africa

k1ng 1337

Joined Sep 11, 2020
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the sad thing is that many young, educated and capable people will leave their country in search of employment. the place they leave is the very same place that would benefit the most of them staying and getting job there.
While I agree I believe this to be a poor justification to stay in one's home country. If a skilled / educated / motivated person can do better for themselves and their family elsewhere then it seems most logical to move given the fact that many bureaucracies / dictatorships etc. are set in place to further themselves at the extreme expense of the people which makes development a slow or impossible process for those most willing to improve their society. I do not believe a person should limit themselves to one region simply because that's where they were born.. I live where I live primarily because it's the region that will pay most for my skill and my skills are always in demand and so I make a good living and the only excuse to not do better (for me) is my own initiative. I truly believe the only one I can blame for my hardships is myself.

@Tinsae

Just because someone will not give you an opportunity does not mean you are not worthy of that opportunity! If you are an honest hard working person then have confidence in yourself to achieve what's important to you! Don't be afraid to take chances! Canada is an excellent country where we accept people from all walks of life and if you try your best I am confident you could build a proud and comfortable life here for generations to come.

This is just one Canadian's opinion..
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
6,798
Here are a couple of ideas:

1. Find out a major manufacturer of imported machines or process equipment used the plants near you. You probably already know this since you did some work there. Apply to that company as a Field Service Technician. It is harder in these times to get people across international borders than before due to covid. Also, sending people to African countries is considered "hazardous" to western countries, and field service Technicians from say Germany or USA expect to be paid quite a lot to expose themselves to the risk of going there. When I worked Field Service in the oil & gas industry, we would get $100/day bonus for working on a land rig in the USA, $150/day for working on an American rig offshore, $200/day for working on a rig internationally, and for going to Africa it was officially $500/day but some techs demanded $1,000/day for going to Africa and because there were no other options, the company would pay. And not only the employee's daily bonus, there are a lot of logistical challenges. Depending on which African country, the employee might require pickup from the airport by armed escort service, and constant protection, special lodging, etc. These companies would surely prefer to have someone on their payroll with boots on the ground in Africa, who lives there permanently, born there, fits in, and not a big red/white/blue target for kidnappers. Someone they can pay a reasonable wage instead of $1000/day. Someone who will not be turned away in the airport because of quarantine. It is not engineering, but the pay is still good and it is close to engineering, and will expose you to the engineering department of the company, and could potentially lead to an engineering position.

2. Start your own business. Make something and sell it. A resume/CV is a datasheet for a human product. Don't be the product, make the product. Then it doesn't matter what is on your resume. I designed products for a previous employer, and since I was doing Engineering I asked for an Engineering position and was denied because I didn't have a degree. So I quit, started a business, designed products and sold them to my previous employer, and found that naming my price was slightly more gratifying than begging them for a raise and a title.
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
While I agree I believe this to be a poor justification to stay in one's home country. If a skilled / educated / motivated person can do better for themselves and their family elsewhere then it seems most logical to move given the fact that many bureaucracies / dictatorships etc. are set in place to further themselves at the extreme expense of the people which makes development a slow or impossible process for those most willing to improve their society. I do not believe a person should limit themselves to one region simply because that's where they were born.. I live where I live primarily because it's the region that will pay most for my skill and my skills are always in demand and so I make a good living and the only excuse to not do better (for me) is my own initiative. I truly believe the only one I can blame for my hardships is myself.

@Tinsae

Just because someone will not give you an opportunity does not mean you are not worthy of that opportunity! If you are an honest hard working person then have confidence in yourself to achieve what's important to you! Don't be afraid to take chances! Canada is an excellent country where we accept people from all walks of life and if you try your best I am confident you could build a proud and comfortable life here for generations to come.

This is just one Canadian's opinion..
Thank you! I will not stop trying.
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
Here are a couple of ideas:

1. Find out a major manufacturer of imported machines or process equipment used the plants near you. You probably already know this since you did some work there. Apply to that company as a Field Service Technician. It is harder in these times to get people across international borders than before due to covid. Also, sending people to African countries is considered "hazardous" to western countries, and field service Technicians from say Germany or USA expect to be paid quite a lot to expose themselves to the risk of going there. When I worked Field Service in the oil & gas industry, we would get $100/day bonus for working on a land rig in the USA, $150/day for working on an American rig offshore, $200/day for working on a rig internationally, and for going to Africa it was officially $500/day but some techs demanded $1,000/day for going to Africa and because there were no other options, the company would pay. And not only the employee's daily bonus, there are a lot of logistical challenges. Depending on which African country, the employee might require pickup from the airport by armed escort service, and constant protection, special lodging, etc. These companies would surely prefer to have someone on their payroll with boots on the ground in Africa, who lives there permanently, born there, fits in, and not a big red/white/blue target for kidnappers. Someone they can pay a reasonable wage instead of $1000/day. Someone who will not be turned away in the airport because of quarantine. It is not engineering, but the pay is still good and it is close to engineering, and will expose you to the engineering department of the company, and could potentially lead to an engineering position.

2. Start your own business. Make something and sell it. A resume/CV is a datasheet for a human product. Don't be the product, make the product. Then it doesn't matter what is on your resume. I designed products for a previous employer, and since I was doing Engineering I asked for an Engineering position and was denied because I didn't have a degree. So I quit, started a business, designed products and sold them to my previous employer, and found that naming my price was slightly more gratifying than begging them for a raise and a title.
1. This is exactly what I am targeting and also tried to mention in my posts.
2. By the way I have sold some product (microcontroller based ) for local customer who want to automate their product. And my major product/service sell is the batching plant controllers.

I agree with you.
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
6,798
1. This is exactly what I am targeting and also tried to mention in my posts.
2. By the way I have sold some product (microcontroller based ) for local customer who want to automate their product. And my major product/service sell is the batching plant controllers.

I agree with you.
So, what overseas companies equipment exists in these plants near you?
 

visionofast

Joined Oct 17, 2018
106
Knowledge is a generator of ideas. Even if those ideas can produce concrete results, companies, seldom go outside the company to develop those results. They would much prefer to use their internal resources to do that. If you read the rest of the article you will see the route to success. Publish everything -- give it away for free -- and become a recognized expert in your field. A single idea is not likely to be noticed. Ten good ideas a month will be noticed and will build you an unmatched reputation. Read the whole article. If their need is great enough, they will come to you.
You said a graet word for redemption in the modern era.
 

Teljkon

Joined Jan 24, 2019
267
A view shared by those leaving.

To answer that songs first verse yes a day will come. The reality is this is the experience of capitalism for everyone. However I see my family more than ever now that we have had a great deal of success as a whole. It does pick winners and losers though.
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
So, what overseas companies equipment exists in these plants near you?
Execuse me for being late. I was collecting information from my friends. Still I am expecting some information regarding textile industry. Until then here are some of the equipments that are found near.

1. Krones: equipment found in breweries, bottled water and beverage industries
2. Videojet: printing equipment found in most bottling company
3. Ventomatic: packaging equipment on cement factory
4. Kodak trendsetter: in printing industry

and I will post equipment found in textile industry in our country when I get it ready.
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
10,187
You will unlikely be successful selling your knowledge until you have a lot of experience, what you can sell is your ability to solve problems and do the actual work that you are interested in doing.

That advice is feedback I received from my managers early in my career and it lead me the job where my main activity was providing knowledge to other groups and inventing things. Take these phases as they come.
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
You will unlikely be successful selling your knowledge until you have a lot of experience, what you can sell is your ability to solve problems and do the actual work that you are interested in doing.

That advice is feedback I received from my managers early in my career and it lead me the job where my main activity was providing knowledge to other groups and inventing things. Take these phases as they come.
Thank you I have accepted your advice.
Yes it is correct that it is hard for me to succeed by saying I have good knowledge on something beside that I dont have the certification on what I am saying. But I think it is my thread title that didnt address the questions what I have and what I need correctly.

So let me try to explain what I have what I need and why I think someone will select me and finally evidence for what I am saying

1. What I have: I have BSc degree and experience on Chemical engineering, I have experience and knowledge on electronics and electrical system trouble shooting and design
2. What I need
a. To get job (abroad) at some factory as electrician or automation technician or assistant or

B. To become some company field electrician e.g in Africa ( I know western professionals dont want to come to Africa for minor troubleshooting their equipment) or

C. Any work that may need both electrical and Chemical engineering

3. My competitive advantage: asking lower position but able to do something high level (based on what I am asking) and provide evidence for that. Ask lower price. Able to work around Africa. Having both Chemical engineering and electrical experience

4. Evidence: a video evidence that show my work on full automation for concrete batching plant (the plant is operating on the ground it is not theoretical or on paper), and I have reference from wester company owners.
Video: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tins...on-designed-activity-6884404543145201664-8gRq



So let me ask a question. What will be your response as a recruiter if I ask a position in your company as automation technician assistant or lower position and you know that I have developed an automation system which require component selection PLC programming desktop program development all from scratch and now it is working.
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
10,187
When I was a hiring manager, I would consider what this person could do for my team and whether he would fit in with the existing group. The degree helps get you in the door but I never hired an engineer without either relevant on-the-job experience or success in a relevant non-work project, except one intern mathematician that we needed. I guess I did not want entry-level people because we didn't have time to train on.
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
When I was a hiring manager, I would consider what this person could do for my team and whether he would fit in with the existing group. The degree helps get you in the door but I never hired an engineer without either relevant on-the-job experience or success in a relevant non-work project, except one intern mathematician that we needed. I guess I did not want entry-level people because we didn't have time to train on.
Thank you!
So I noted beside other points that my work leveled me as entry level (though I thaught a bit higher).
 

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Tinsae

Joined Jan 8, 2015
113
So, what overseas companies equipment exists in these plants near you?
And for the textile industry the companies are:-
Regiani, CAMPINOTI & Bozzoni, Henerikson, Saint Stimme, Commet, Atlas copco, Promantec, Tsudakoma, BENNINGER, Rotal, Savio, Tsudakoma
Except the last one which is Japan origin all are European mostly Italian origin
 
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