Funny button.Charmingly naive, HP.
Your system will be the death of us all.
Funny button.Charmingly naive, HP.
Your system will be the death of us all.
Look at all those people dropping like flies in Australia! That healthcare system is obviously killing all of them.Charmingly naive, HP.
Your system will be the death of us all.
Personally full universal health care and basic retirement are one of the more socialist concepts I am in favor of and feel that with properly and efficient financial and general management our country could easily afford it and likely be money and quality ahead of where we are now by a long shot.I apologize that I was unclear -- When I said 'group insurance plan' I was referring to the actuarial construct --as opposed to-- the premium/deductible schedule.
Under said system:
-All citizens are fully covered - period!
-As with all fair taxation, premiums and deductibles are income based -- To be clear: no counted income=no premium/deductible but full coverage! It's all of decent, civilized and practically realizable!
-Beneficiaries are not penalized for poor health via forfeiture/confiscation of property (i.e. there is no 'asset test').
IOW you're not a fascist! -- Sincere congratulations!
@ronv I'm bound to ask, having corresponded with me upon this topic for neigh-on one year, how could you possibly arrive at a conclusion aligning me with the foul likes of Ezekiel Emanuel based upon any misinterpretation of post #47?
Best regards
HP
Because you feel people would choose unemployment/indigence merely to 'ride for free'? --- The way I heard it, trailer parks, etc. are no fun - complementary healthcare notwithstanding!Charmingly naive, HP.
Your system will be the death of us all.
The socialized healthcare schemes of Australia, Canada, etc are sterling examples of the 'downside' of ('actuarial-layer') 'single payer' schemes -- which being fascism by any other name! --- The longer they run - the uglier they get! -- As for Trump? He's merely an 'old boy' with a big mouth!Look at all those people dropping like flies in Australia! That healthcare system is obviously killing all of them.
Oh, wait, Why did Trump call the Australian healthcare system, "the best in the world!"?
The socialized healthcare schemes of Australia, Canada, etc are sterling examples of the 'downside' of ('actuarial-layer') 'single payer' schemes -- which being fascism by any other name! --- The longer they run - the uglier they get! -- As for Trump? He's merely an 'old boy' with a big mouth!
Best regards
HP
HP I say that's just w-e-i-r-dThen too what passes for 'medical error' just gets wielder and wielder
Gophert it's super long waiting lists, widespread totally incompetent and substance abusing docs, no oversight at all, horse $#!t facilities and that's just getting started! So the easy way to summarize is to just say it's like worst case scenario of US VA healthcare I agree with HP that it's fascism just as it stands cuz it's totally defacto rationing at best!What part isn't working? How bad is it?
As stated in an earlier post -- Via imposition of a new tax that (in the vast majority of cases) would cost each taxpayer less (typically much less) than they are currently paying for basic coverage - in premiums alone...how do you think we could accomplish this without turning the world upside down?
Understood and absolutely no 'hard feelings'! -- That said, in the event of future ambiguity, I respectfully request grant of 'history-weighted benefit of the doubt' pending clarificationTo answer the last question first. I was confused by this statement:
If that would work so well with health care, why not expand the program? Hmmm???Via imposition of a new tax that (in the vast majority of cases) would cost each taxpayer less (typically much less) than they are currently paying for basic coverage - in premiums alone...
Hi (0),Gophert it's super long waiting lists, widespread totally incompetent and substance abusing docs, no oversight at all, horse $#!t facilities and that's just getting started! So the easy way to summarize is to just say it's like worst case scenario of US VA healthcare I agree with HP that it's fascism just as it stands cuz it's totally defacto rationing at best!
Would you also be willing to accept the same service/maintenance that you get on those big screen tv's? Do you not have 'home owners insurance' on your house? Isn't that also a form of "socialism"? You don't here people complaining that you living in Florida and having hurricanes, increase home insurance for us that don't live in areas that don't have frequent devastation like that. But it does. So in effect you are benefiting from our 'welfare'.I'd like to opt out and buy my medical care (and housing) just like I buy big screen TVs
The Europeans are better at it than we are.For those who want medical care provided just like government housing:
It's been done all around the world.
I'd like to opt out and buy my medical care (and housing) just like I buy big screen TVs:
The American Founders would disagree with you. As would I.For where do these rights ... come from? They come from society.
Thomas Jefferson said:We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
That's always been one of my peeves with healthcare or any benefits in general. I think it should either be an all encompassing coverage that is paid equally by all or it should be where a person can opt out and not have coverage beyond paying for what they need themselves when they need it.Let's talk about opting out. There are those who believe opting out is their right. That they believe participating in programs, with which one has a disagreement, is infringing on some personal right.
Same here. At least with the dirt cheap Chinese health care when it doesn't do anything good for you you can at least justify that you got what you paid for and if it does fix the problem you got way more for your money that the other systems would have given.I'd like to opt out and buy my medical care (and housing) just like I buy big screen TVs:
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