thingmaker3
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237,1300 Joules per mole: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.htmlerr....... actually how much of energy is needed to convert water to H2 O2?
237,1300 Joules per mole: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.htmlerr....... actually how much of energy is needed to convert water to H2 O2?
I haven't read all the links, so might be at a disadvantage here. My guess is that HHO is just another way to write H2O (the 2 indicates two hydrogen atoms).Maybe it's long winded, but given that there isn't any such thing as HHO (and I regularly see it posted as if it were a real molecule) I think I would loose it.
In short, the whole term HHO is misleading, and I believe it was meant to be so. Declaring it is not a chemical doesn't work, if you insist on using standard chemical convention to describe it.
thnx 4 da link...!237,1300 Joules per mole: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html
noted...! TQ!]The reason water is considered an "ash" is it is the waste byproduct of burning hydrogen.[/U] As in rechargable batteries the reaction is reversable, at a energy cost.
I'm looking forward to commercial fuel cells (which has nothing to do with hydrogen generators, another term that has been misappropriated), where hydrogen and oxygen are combined chemically (not burned, I think) to produce electricity directly. NASA is real fond of using them, so they are practical, but expensive (platinum and paladium are necessary to build them, I think).
When I say I think, I'm say this is my opinion, and not fact.
Or, it could be from the Michael Jackson hit song.A common scientific joke, as stated by C. P. Snow, expresses the four laws simply and surprisingly accurately as:
Zeroth: "You must play the game."
First: "You can't win."
Second: "You can't break even."
Third: "You can't quit the game."
Harvey, I believe you've pinpointed the crux of the mater. Folk view hydrogen from water as "free," not realizing the process costs more than what we pay for gasoline in the US. A hobbyist with good skills, charging $0 for their time, might get away with paying a little more than they would for gasoline. A newcomer might pay three to four times the price of US gasoline.Nothing wrong with dreaming, perhaps eventually someone will stumble on something to make use of the wasted heat energy. But right now, it's mostly hype and snake oil. People want cheap power, so anything virtually free is very attractive.
Hmm... How evil of me would it be to sell variable-frequency, variable-PW, solder-it-yourself kits for moderately exorbitant prices?Like all gold rushes the guys who come out ahead are the shop keepers who sell the shovels and the pans.
Since the circuit could be used for other things, such as variable speed control for cordless tools, or DC motors in general, light dimmer, probably a few other things. Might actually be a useful instrument for the workbench. Leave the application and the price tag up to the purchaser. They have the choice of buying from you, or making their own. The hydrogen guys will already know your kit is what they are looking for, and somebody is going to get their money. No, I don't think it would be evil, except maybe charging $200 for a $10 bag of parts and a home etched PC board...Hmm... How evil of me would it be to sell variable-frequency, variable-PW, solder-it-yourself kits for moderately exorbitant prices?
A stock broker wouldn't even think of that question. Guess you are not one.Hmm... How evil of me would it be to sell variable-frequency, variable-PW, solder-it-yourself kits for moderately exorbitant prices?