# Finding Q point in BJT

Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by Batusai, May 20, 2008.

1. ### Batusai Thread Starter New Member

May 20, 2008
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Hi there,

Can anyone pls kindly help me with finding Q point of the BJT in the following attachment? Thanks for your help.

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2. ### Papabravo Expert

Feb 24, 2006
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The load line goes from Ic = 1.78 mA to Vce = Vcc = 10 V.

Starting at the base and summing voltages around the DC circuit
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2. Vbe - Vcc + (Ic + Ib)Rc + IbRb = 0
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4. sinc Ic >> Ib we can simplify to
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6. Vbe - Vcc + IcRc + IbRb = 0
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8. because Ib = Ic/beta we can solve for Ic to get
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10. Ic = (Vcc - Vbe) / (Rc + Rb/beta)
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As you can see the location of the Q point depends on the beta of the trnasistor. That is one reason why Collector Feedback bias is dperecated. If Rb = beta*Rc then the Q point will be at the midpoint of the load line. If that is where the Q point is supposed to be it would imply the beta of the transistor is at about 178 and change.

3. ### hgmjr Retired Moderator

Jan 28, 2005
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Did the problem statement include an assumed $\beta$ for the transistor or any other transistor parameters?

As stated, the problem forces the solver to make several assumption about key circuit parameters that can only lead to a large number of solutions on the part of those to whom the problem was assigned. An instructor that would provide such an open-ended problem will incur a significant amount of effort. That is unless he has a simulation tool at his disposal with a plan to use it to confirm virtually as many solutions as there are students undertaking the assignment.

hgmjr

4. ### Batusai Thread Starter New Member

May 20, 2008
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Hi,
thanks all the responses. Sorry that I forget to mentioned that "beta=100". In that case will there be any changes in answer replied by "Papabravo"?

Thanks!!

5. ### Papabravo Expert

Feb 24, 2006
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You have everything you need to solve for Ic. You have the endpoints of the load line so you can also find Vce. You should be good to go.

6. ### hgmjr Retired Moderator

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If you need further information on the technique that papabravo has described, you can take a look at the ebook information on load lines for BJT devices.

hgmjr

7. ### hgmjr Retired Moderator

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Post your efforts at solving for the problem and we will try to help you with any snags you encounter.

hgmjr