Capacitance of a parallel plate capacitor?

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smarch

Joined Mar 14, 2009
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Could someone please help me with this question:

A parallel plate capacitor has a surface area of 1 cm2 and its plates are
separated by 3 mm. In between the plates are three layers of dielectric,
each 1 mm thick, with relative permittivities of 3, 5 and 11 respectively. What
is the capacitance of the whole capacitor?

I know I use the formula c=eoerA/d.
Do I add the dielectrics together so er=19? and just apply the formula as usual?
 

t_n_k

Joined Mar 6, 2009
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Treat this as three capacitors (C1, C2 & C3) in series, each with the same physical dimensions (1mm plate separation) but with different relative permittivity [er1=3, er2=5, er3=11].

1/Ctot=1/C1+1/C2+1/C3
 
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smarch

Joined Mar 14, 2009
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Treat this as three capacitors (C1, C2 & C3) in series, each with the same physical dimensions (1mm plate separation) but with different relative permittivity [er1=3, er2=5, er3=11].

1/Ctot=1/C1+1/C2+1/C3
Thanks for your reply, so I use the formula :
c = Aeo/(d1/er1 + d2/er2 + d3/er3)

Is that correct?
 

steveb

Joined Jul 3, 2008
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Thanks for your reply, so I use the formula :
c = Aeo/(d1/er1 + d2/er2 + d3/er3)

Is that correct?
That looks correct to me from memory (which gets less reliable as I age).

Based on the other problems you are working on, I recommend that you make sure you can derive this formula from Maxwell's equations. TNK's approach is a good one, but the difficulty you are having with the other problems may go away if you work out this simple case from first principles.
 

KL7AJ

Joined Nov 4, 2008
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Treat this as three capacitors (C1, C2 & C3) in series, each with the same physical dimensions (1mm plate separation) but with different relative permittivity [er1=3, er2=5, er3=11].

1/Ctot=1/C1+1/C2+1/C3

Does this really work? I probably ran across this ages ago, but I don't think I've even encountered the question in recent history. :) Very cool!

Eric
 

t_n_k

Joined Mar 6, 2009
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Thanks for your reply, so I use the formula :
c = Aeo/(d1/er1 + d2/er2 + d3/er3)

Is that correct?
No ... your equation is incorrect

\(C_1=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(C_2=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(C_3=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r3}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(\frac{1}{C_{tot}}=\frac{1}{C_1}+ \frac{1}{C_2}+ \frac{1}{C_3}\)

or

\(C_{tot}=\frac{C_1C_2C_3}{C_1C_2+C_2C_3+C_1C_3}\)

or

\(C_{tot}=\epsilon_0 \frac{A}{d}\[\frac{\epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r2} \epsilon_{r3}}{\epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r2}+\epsilon_{r2} \epsilon_{r3} + \epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r3}}\]\)
 
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steveb

Joined Jul 3, 2008
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No ... your equation is incorrect

\(C_1=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r1}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(C_2=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r2}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(C_3=\epsilon_0\epsilon_{r3}\frac{A}{d}\)

\(\frac{1}{C_{tot}}=\frac{1}{C_1}+ \frac{1}{C_2}+ \frac{1}{C_3}\)

or

\(C_{tot}=\frac{C_1C_2C_3}{C_1C_2+C_2C_3+C_1C_3}\)

or

\(C_{tot}=\epsilon_0 \frac{A}{d}\[\frac{\epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r2} \epsilon_{r3}}{\epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r2}+\epsilon_{r2} \epsilon_{r3} + \epsilon_{r1} \epsilon_{r3}}\]\)
TNK,

His equation appears to me to just be a different form of your equation.
 
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