Can someone help me find the closed loop gain

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Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by ytimk1974, Oct 10, 2013.

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  1. Oct 10, 2013 #1
    ytimk1974

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    This is a question that I just can't seem to find the answer for in my text:

    Given that open loop critical frequency = 750Hz, the closed loop critical frequency = 5.5kHz, and the A'ol = 89dB, determine the closed loop gain in dB.

    Anybody's help is greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. Oct 10, 2013 #2
    LvW

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    Please, can you explain to us the term "critical frequency"?
     
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    ytimk1974

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    Well I was hoping someone would understand that because I have been over every formula in this text and can't come up with any formulas that need these specific numbers. I'm sure I am missing something. The definition in the glossary says that it is the frequency that defines the end of the passband filter; also called cutoff frequency.
     
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  4. Oct 10, 2013 #4
    WBahn

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    If the approach you take to learning electronics is to pour over lists of formulas looking for one that needs the specific parameters that you've got, then you are going to have lots of problems.

    What you are missing is comprehension of the material you are studying.

    Try looking up "gain-bandwidth product" and see if it sheds some light.
     
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    ytimk1974

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    Thanks and I agree with you, but I am giving it my all. I just jumped into my first class with this material and I fear I may be to far behind. Thanks for the help
     
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    WBahn

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    It's very possible that you are, indeed, too far behind. If that's the case, then you will likely be best served in the long run by taking a step back and taking (or retaking) the courses that lead up to this one. This material is foundational; even if you scrape by in this course, you are building a weak foundation and that will come back to haunt you.
     
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  8. Oct 10, 2013 #8
    LvW

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    shteii01, you should better check the contents of a link before posting.

    The given link defines a term "critical frequency" - however, obviously this is NOT the "critical" frequency ytiml1974 has mentioned in his post. (This can easily be seen by comparing the frequencies in the first post).

    My recommendation to ytimk1974: Forget the link and follow the recommendation from WBahn.
    And - yes, your assumption is correct: The frequency called "critical" seems to be the 3-dB corner frequency of both the open and the closed-loop gain, respectively.
     
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  9. Oct 16, 2013 #9
    ytimk1974

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    update: Thank you everyone for your advice.

    WBahn, my problem was that I over complicated things as usual thanks for sending me in the right direction Acl*fc(ol) = Aol*fc(ol).
     
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