# Black Flash (No-Glow) Game Trial Cameras

#### monster_catfish

Joined Mar 17, 2011
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Out on my motorbike on the trials through the woods here, on the trail of a couple of my hounds that took off, I damn near ran over a headless corpse. Talked to some of the locals, and it turns out ritual murder is on the rise, BUT, the cops are too scared to go into the woods.

The other "law enforcement" group here comprises civilian volunteers with pump shotguns, and they generally dispense "justice" without recourse to trials of any sort, so I spoke to their head honcho, who also expressed understandable reluctance to go lay in ambush in the woods.

Then it occurred to me that a number of night vision trail cameras with NO visible flash, positioned overlooking known "dumping grounds" could be the ticket to identify the perpetrators, so that the vigilantes could round up the guilty and dispatch them to the Happy Hunting Ground.

Looking for No-Glow, or "Black Flash" night vision cameras was a bewildering experience, on account of the vast number of makes and models out there. The Chasing Game website seems to have the most comprehensive listing of reviews about the various trail cameras, and that is where my top choice, the Little Acorn 12MP Trail Camera fell from favor, on account of water leakage issues which may or may not have been resolved by the manufacturer.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
They key is your gonna need an iR light source for night pics otherwise your just gonna get black screens. With the iR lights it will light everything up, but unless they are wearing nightvision or iR visual equipment they won't see it. I've been thinking about making a wireless system for this working on a mesh network you could monitor from your computer at home. That way hunters could put them at all their tree stands, entry ways onto property. And get a good idea of whats going on, on their hunting land without leaving the house. Like a hunting/fishing control room. Marine underwater camera's would be next.

#### monster_catfish

Joined Mar 17, 2011
116
As I mentioned earlier, Max, the day/night trail cameras I am looking at do depend on infra-red sources to light up the scene for video or still picture recording, but it is the wavelength of that IR light that distinguishes those cameras that give off IR light that is faintly visible to the human eye as a faint red glow, from those that give off IR light that is completely INVISIBLE to the human eye.

The Little Acorn trail camera, for example, states the wavelength of its IR signal to be 940nm, which is evidently invisble to the human eye even on a dark night.

Regarding the Ali Baba website, my lack of expertise in studying performance specs to distinguish a reliable product from a cheap knock-off is the main reason why I may wind up buying from a supplier with a well known name-brand, because I would like to think that such outfits are selective about the manufacturing quality of consumer elecronics they acquire for re-badging and re-sale, if that is in fact what some of those marketers actually do.

Joined Apr 30, 2011
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The 880nm IREDs can sometimes be visible while the 940nm IREDs can't.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
You could also get ir cams and replace the LED's with non visable iR LED's.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Catfish I need some of the exact systems. May be we can team up and buy some in bulk or make em ourselves. Ideally I'd like to go wireless so I don't need to goto each system and d/l images. I'd like to Monitor them from my computer and transmit the images. Preferably running on solar power. If you wanna team up testing some we buy on CL or making a prototype lets do iiiiiit! I have all the dev kits to design it and we can pitch in to a low run of boards. They system I'd like to make would be a rectangle like box thats black. Then you can take a picture of a local tree or shrubery and have a car wrap printer make wraps for them depending on region. That why we could have them that look like palm trees, oaks, etc...

#### monster_catfish

Joined Mar 17, 2011
116
Well Max I decided to play it safe and go with brand name trail cameras known to be reliable by the gurus at the Chasing Game website. I wound up selecting the Bushnell Trophy Cam Model 119466, sold by Gander Mountain, and the Uway VH 200B trail cam sold by HCO.

The picture flashes from both of these models emit little or no light that is visible to the human eye, and the sample photographs I have seen from both models would suffice to make positive facial identification of subjects caught on film or video, even on a pitch-black night.

Also the Bushnel and Uway cameras I selected are shipped with Real-Tree jungle camouflage color schemes, which is vital to blending them in with the surroundings.

I must confess that I simply do not have the technical skill to design and build a trial camera, and do not have the luxury of time to embark on such a project even if I knew of a tech-savvy person to build one for me. A wireless unit that sends images to a cellphone would be nice, but I didn't choose one of those since I couldn't be sure that the cell-phone networks here would be compatible with such cameras designed for the North American market.

In addition to placing these cameras on trails leading to the dump sites to take shots of bad guys, I will set a couple of cameras aside to film critters that swim down the river in the rain forest down the hill from here.

The uber-secretive Sitatunga Swamp Antelope, which tips at over 200 pounds when fully grown, is native to this area, and I once saw one paddling upstream. It'll be fun to catch that big feller on film. The river forest is also home to very rare otters, large troops of Mona monkeys and six-foot long Nile Monitor Lizards, all of who may also make cameo appearances in my home movies before long.

If I get any really spectacular footage, I'll post it here, as well as at the Chasing Game website, which you should definitely visit, given your obvious interest in the rapidly advancing technology of "black flash" trail cams.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Cool well when you get em post reviews of what you think about em if you can.

#### monster_catfish

Joined Mar 17, 2011
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Will do fer sure, Max. The gear is on the way here now.

#### strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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Be careful out there man. Glad you found your cameras, and I wish you the best of luck.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
Lets continue this from the other side. How can you detect iR cams like this? Does nightvision pick up the infrared? Is there anything you can use to detect the iR LED's?

#### monster_catfish

Joined Mar 17, 2011
116
That is a very important consideration, Max. Even though nobody has heard of night vision gear out here, some of the IR "low-glow" cams do in fact give off a very faint red glow which could be noticed by an alert observer up close, at less than say 5 feet from the camera. There is an extensive discussion of this flaw at the Chasing Game website, in which some of the cameras most likely to be spotted were mentioned.

I selected the Bushnell 466 because it is one of the few "Black Flash" models that does not emit any glow at all. The Uway VH 200B could be spotted if the observer happened focus in up close, but that tiny glow is far more likely to be missed. I still chose that model, though, because, unlike the Bushnell 466, the Uway has password protection that would render the camera un-usable in the wrong hands .

Stantor your caution is very appropriate for this situation, and I may well hand off the installation to the vigilante men, several of who STILL night-hunt for deer and antelope in that area.

The more I hear about the goings on over there, the more chicken I get, regardless of how proficient I consider myself with my trusty old Winchester model 1200.

#### BSomer

Joined Dec 28, 2011
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Yes, night vision goggles will pick up the IR emitters on the camera. It will look like a nice bright light source. At least the ones I used in the military did. Night vision goggles also have a IR emitter on them to help "light" up the immediate area in front of you if there isn't enough ambient light.

#### maxpower097

Joined Feb 20, 2009
816
That is a very important consideration, Max. Even though nobody has heard of night vision gear out here, some of the IR "low-glow" cams do in fact give off a very faint red glow which could be noticed by an alert observer up close, at less than say 5 feet from the camera. There is an extensive discussion of this flaw at the Chasing Game website, in which some of the cameras most likely to be spotted were mentioned.

I selected the Bushnell 466 because it is one of the few "Black Flash" models that does not emit any glow at all. The Uway VH 200B could be spotted if the observer happened focus in up close, but that tiny glow is far more likely to be missed. I still chose that model, though, because, unlike the Bushnell 466, the Uway has password protection that would render the camera un-usable in the wrong hands .

Stantor your caution is very appropriate for this situation, and I may well hand off the installation to the vigilante men, several of who STILL night-hunt for deer and antelope in that area.

The more I hear about the goings on over there, the more chicken I get, regardless of how proficient I consider myself with my trusty old Winchester model 1200.
As daddy said "Go AK or go home! "