Battery powered CPAP help

Discussion in 'The Projects Forum' started by MrJojo, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. MrJojo

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    Hello all,

    I have sleep apnea and require a CPAP to sleep at night. I have a power cord which goes from my CPAP to a wall outlet. This works great. However, I have started camping with my friends this recent year and I am unable to bring my CPAP with me on said trips. I want to create a battery operated adapter which can power my CPAP roughly 6-7 hours. I looked at the power cord converter and it takes wall power AC (120V I believe) and converts it to 12V @ 5A. I've been looking around and found that alkaline D batteries have a 12-18 Ah battery life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_battery). They output at 1.5 Volts. I understand that putting batteries in series increases the voltage, meaning 2 batteries will give me 3 Volts. Therefore, if I put 8 D batteries in series, that gives me the 12 Volts I am looking for. I believe this to work, but I can only get ~3 hours of battery life. I could put 2 stings of 12V D batteries in series to get 24-36 Ah out, but that seems extremely inefficient and it will only give me 5-7 hours of operation. Does anyone have a better solution?

    Thanks,
    Matt
     
  2. #12

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    Sealed lead-acid battery, also called AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat), or a plain old car battery, or a deep cycle marine battery.

    Edit: I take no responsibility for your choice to use a different power supply than the one that was provided by the manufacturer.

    Better, Papa?
     
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  3. Papabravo

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    Should we be giving advice on the operation of a MEDICAL device? The failure of which could have serious adverse consequences, and absolve the manufacturer of liability. What is our exposure if the advice turns out badly.
     
  4. tshuck

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    You guys are good, the AAC disclaimer's got you covered:
     
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  5. bmxerds

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    If you are going to use a 12v battery, your best bet is to use a deep cycle marine battery because they are capable of Being discharge heavily unlike car batteries which are designed to give a lot of power for a brief moment.
     
  6. MrJojo

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    @Papabravo
    I understand the risk, but a CPAP is basically something that outputs humid air at a constant pressure. If I don't use it, I don't go into REM sleep, meaning I wake up feeling like a zombie.

    @#12 and bmxerds
    I'm looking into the deep cycle marine batteries, thank you for the advice.

    Matt
     
  7. paulktreg

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    CPAP devices don't pull enough current to warrant the use of deep cycle marine batteries and you'll probably find the OEM battery packs use something from the Yuasa NP series (or equivalent) although there's probably protection circuitry built in to prevent deep discharge. What make of CPAP do you have and I'll try and find out what the manufacturer uses if you like?
     
  8. MrChips

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    Are you tent camping or trailer camping? My tent trailer has a 12V deep cycle battery for stand alone power. It also has a 12V to 120VAC inverter. Hence I can use it either way.

    Let me know which CPAP model you are using and how effective it is.
    I have to go to the sleep clinic and get a prescription for the same thing.
     
  9. #12

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    Somehow, I feel lucky that I breath all by myself at night.
     
  10. ErnieM

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    MY doctor (a sleep specialist) has assured me the only way to injure someone with a CPAP machine is to hit them over the head with one. Running it on an improper voltage may damage the (very expensive) machine itself but should not harm the user.

    My Respironics CPAP machine has a wall wart device that outputs 12 volts at 4.16 amps, and assuming the CPAP needs all of that (an over estimate) an 8 hour rest needs 33.3 amp-hours daily. Assuming I could recharge it daily that means I'd but a 12V deep discharge 100AH battery minimum.

    That's just for the air. The humidifier has a separate power input for the heater I did not investigate.

    That battery is one pretty heavy sucker to carry into the woods, even assuming the seal doesn't break and melt your back pack.

    I would have to break the circuit and actually measure the current consumed, something I am not going to do with a machine I depend on so much.
     
  11. wayneh

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    As #12 suggested in post #2, I'd go with a deep-cycle lead-acid battery. Think trolling motor battery. Laptop batteries have a higher power density (on volume or weight) but they are more expensive and more easily damaged by deep discharge, and harder to charge properly. Lead-acid is heavy but much more forgiving.
     
  12. GRNDPNDR

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    they also tend to suffer from thermal runaway.
     
  13. MrJojo

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    I have this http://bipapst.respironics.com/Specifications.asp. I was looking around the Philips site and I stumbled onto CPAPs on the go (http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/homehealth/respiratory_care/evergo/default.wpd). The main thing I've been worrying about is damaging my CPAP and not having it for use every night.

    Also, I go tent camping with friends.

    EDIT: Also, when I say camping, I don't mean hiking into the woods a few miles. I mean we go to a camp site without electricity and hike about 1 mile in, tops. Basically, we just head out and get away from the real world for a weekend.

    Thanks,
    Matt
     
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  14. RedneckSavant

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    Investigate the new Z1 portable battery powered CPAP if money is no object, or consider the soon to be released ResMed Air Mini.

    me? I'm a cheapskate and when I camp I hate extra weight. D cells are heavy for charge capacity. Lead acid and AGM are even worse. I built a pack from 18650 batteries. It weighs 6# (most of the weight is in my pvc wiring and hardware), and I use a voltage regulator on it .5#, and a 1# solar panel if I'm going to be out more than a week. That 7.5# feels like a ton when you hike more than 10 miles, but being able to breathe at night makes you miserable both night and day - so it's worth it.

    (By the way, the Z1 inspired my battery pack - theirs only lasts 2 days, but it's made up of just 6 18650 batteries if I recall, I used their patent research as an inspiration for my pvc battery bank.)

    Pro tip: the batteries are light (40g each) 16 weigh in under 1.5#, so bring extras in case you have cloudy days. (which is why you do NOT want to solder those batteries in place - use a 3/4 pvc pipe or something like BatteryBloc).

    PS I know this is an old thread, but it's not an old issue - Sleep Apnea is a growing concern.
     
  15. #12

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    What is your purpose in dredging up old Threads all in a row instead of making one of your own? The people who started these Threads, people who haven't logged in for 3 or 4 years, will not see your posts. You are pooping in the process and apparently not aware that "updating" every CPAP Thread on the site is the wrong way to go about it.
     
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