Alarm Siren & Relay Help

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Would these be ok?

I cant find a 1µf capacitor, could you recommend another?
The bridge can be the smallest one shown, the cap is not that critical.
A little smaller if necessary.
You may get away with the much smaller 2n7000 in that application instead of the IRF540
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G4M8L3R08

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Spot on thanks, ill pick up the parts in the morning and get it all set up on a spare bit of vero board. Does it matter which way the bridge rectifier goes? iv never applied one before
 

MaxHeadRoom

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The input is not important, either ~ in , the output is, +Ve to the Gate, and -Ve to alarm supply Common (0v).
The 450 µf is overkill, anything smaller than 1µf = .5µf is ok.
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G4M8L3R08

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The +ve is connected to the pin 1 on the siren which then pin 2 is connected to the drain, the gate then connects to the cap and the resistor which is connected the the ac? thats how its showing on the diagram.
 

MaxHeadRoom

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I had assumed you wanted to pick a relay up again for the 12v alarm, I showed a FET instead of a relay, what signal does the alarm need? I had assumed it just needed the auxiliary 12VDC?
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G4M8L3R08

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so where would I place a relay on that diagram?

I have a 14v output ac and a 12v siren and PSU for it. I would like the 14v ac to somehow close the 12v circuit and activate the siren.

I need a circuit to close the section bellow

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MaxHeadRoom

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If the siren just needs a contact closure or equivalent, then that is what the circuit achieves in the one I showed you.!!!
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G4M8L3R08

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but in the diagram it doesnt show the +ve to the gate, it goes to the siren pin 1 first? the siren then connect to the drain via pin 2
 

BReeves

Joined Nov 24, 2012
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Max already has the solution but if you would rather use a relay..... Both do the same thing but what Max did uses fewer parts.
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BReeves

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but in the diagram it doesnt show the +ve to the gate, it goes to the siren pin 1 first? the siren then connect to the drain via pin 2
It doesn't need to go to the gate, the gate is turned on by the AC coming out of the first siren which is changed to DC by the bridge.

<ADDED> Think I see his confusion Max said "the output is, +Ve to the Gate" This is the rectified DC output of the 1st siren not the 12 volts that powers the 2nd siren.
 
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G4M8L3R08

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Thank you everyone for the help, I built the circuit bellow, unfortunately it isn't working, any quick diagnosis I can do? Im not at the property with the sirens I just have the circuit with me.

 

MaxHeadRoom

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Personally I would have used a FET instead of a bi-polar which draws base current from the usually higher impedance speaker source.
You also should have a BEMF diode across the coil.
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